Return-Path: Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (root@localhost) by orafaq.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h45Lacq31167 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:36:38 -0500 X-ClientAddr: 209.68.248.164 Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h45LacA31160 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:36:38 -0500 Received: from fatcity.com (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id MAA85430; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b72/bab) via UUCP id 005900A4; Mon, 05 May 2003 11:48:00 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:48:00 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Sender: "Pete Sharman" Sender: root@fatcity.com Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com Errors-To: ML-ERRORS@fatcity.com From: "Pete Sharman" Subject: RE: Oracle 10 Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California X-ListServer: v1.0g, build 72; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C312FC.ECCB4970" ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C312FC.ECCB4970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this is slightly misleading wording that should have said = something like: =20 "When you use OEM. you can see things like tablespace fragmentation = within a single database." =20 I haven't seen the product at all, so I might be completely wrong on = this, but to me it read more like "Here's a GUI that allows you to check fragmented tablespaces for all the databases you manage is a single = view, rather than clicking on a single database, then drilling into the fragmentation for that database". To me, that sounds like it would be useful. Sort of like a health check on a certain aspect (like fragmentation) across all the databases you administer. =20 Again, I haven't seen anything about it, so I could be totally wrong, = and I don't speak at all for the relevant development groups, so I could be totally wrong! :) Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA =20 -----Original Message----- Patrice J Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Quote: "Currently, administrators are generally limited to managing the health of a single system at one time." =20 How many DBAs on this list administer 1 database at a time? =20 Patrice. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L More info on the subject at: http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=3D121406 &liFlavourID=3D1 =20 Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA=20 -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually I think what they showed is really going to be part of OEM4. My understanding is that the 1st release will be out in the coming weeks = with a .1 release ( with functionality like a pocketpc version) to be out in = q3/4 timeframe. Oracle 10( or whatever its called ) will be unveiled at Oracle(Open)World in September. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:27 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L doing it right rather than monkeying around with bells and whistles... = weird concept. =20 The kid that demo-ed it would have been more impressive if he had once showed the audience the cool toy, rather than the VP the cool toy. =20 =20 April Wells=20 Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA=20 Corporate Systems=20 Amarillo Texas=20 Well-behaved women rarely make history=20 -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sure, the Oracle 'boy' did demo this auto patching stuff and it all = looked pretty impressive..... One more check-mark in the list of things the = DBAs do today, that can be taken away from them :)=20 =20 But my little brain kept wondering......=20 ..... as to why would Oracle come up with this wonderful feature? Why can't they use such brilliant Developers to concentrate on thoroughly testing their code so it does not need a lot of patchwork. Patching = should be an exception, not a routine procedure that needs automation !!=20 =20 BTW.. The new release may not be called 10i, after all. =20 =20 - Kirti =20 -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:02 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Did find out that it will automatically download and install all patches = and OEM will allow it to be scheduled so that you don't actually have to do anything. I think the boy who demoed that said it was a wonderful new feature. April Wells=20 Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA=20 Corporate Systems=20 Amarillo Texas=20 Well-behaved women rarely make history=20 -----Original Message-----=20 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:32 AM=20 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L=20 So, did you get to see Oracle 10 in action at the IOUG?=20 I wasn't there, but am curious.=20 Patrice.=20 --=20 Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net=20 --=20 Author: Boivin, Patrice J=20 INET: BoivinP@mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca=20 The information contained in this communication, including attachments, = is strictly=20 confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain=20 proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice = is hereby given that=20 any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone=20 other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be = illegal. 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I think this is slightly misleading wording that should have = said=20 something like:
 
"When you use OEM. you can see things like tablespace = fragmentation=20 within a single database."
 
I haven't seen the product at all, so I might be completely = wrong on=20 this, but to me it read more like "Here's a GUI that allows you to check = fragmented tablespaces for all the databases you manage is a single = view, rather=20 than clicking on a single database, then drilling into the fragmentation = for=20 that database".  To me, that sounds like it would be useful.  = Sort of=20 like a health check on a certain aspect (like fragmentation) across all = the=20 databases you administer.
 
Again, I haven't seen anything about it, so I could be totally = wrong, and=20 I don't speak at all for the relevant development groups, so I could be = totally=20 wrong!  :)

Pete

"Controlling=20 developers is like herding cats."

Kevin=20 Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook

"Oh=20 no, it's not.  It's much = harder than=20 that!"

Bruce=20 Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA

 

-----Original Message-----
From: = root@fatcity.com=20 [mailto:root@fatcity.com] On Behalf Of Boivin, Patrice=20 J
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:02 PM
To: Multiple = recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Oracle=20 10

Quote: "Currently,=20 administrators are generally limited to managing the health of a = single system=20 at one time."
 
How=20 many DBAs on this list administer 1 database at a = time?
 
Patrice.
-----Original Message-----
From: Goulet, Dick=20 [mailto:DGoulet@vicr.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:30=20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L
Subject: RE:=20 Oracle 10

More info on the subject at:
http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/articl= e.asp?liArticleID=3D121406&liFlavourID=3D1
 

Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle = Certified 8i DBA=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Johnson=20 [mailto:Tony_Johnson@Trimble.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, = 2003 2:03=20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L
Subject: RE:=20 Oracle 10

Actually I think what they showed is really going to be = part of OEM4.=20 My understanding is that the 1st release will be out in the coming = weeks=20 with a .1 release ( with functionality like a pocketpc version) to = be out in=20 q3/4 timeframe. Oracle 10( or whatever its called ) will be unveiled = at=20 Oracle(Open)World in September.
-----Original Message-----
From: April Wells=20 [mailto:awells@csedge.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 = 10:27=20 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L
Subject:=20 RE: Oracle 10

doing it right rather than monkeying = around with=20 bells and whistles... weird concept.
 
The kid that demo-ed it would have been = more=20 impressive if he had once showed the audience the cool toy, rather = than=20 the VP the cool toy. 
 

April Wells =
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA =
Corporate Systems
Amarillo=20 Texas
Well-behaved women rarely make = history=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Deshpande, = Kirti=20 [mailto:kirti.deshpande@verizon.com]
Sent: Monday, May = 05,=20 2003 11:47 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list=20 ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Oracle 10

Sure, the Oracle 'boy' did demo this auto patching = stuff and=20 it all looked pretty impressive.....  One more = check-mark in=20 the list of things the DBAs do today, that can be taken away = from them=20 :)
 
But my little brain kept wondering......=20
  ..... as to why would Oracle come up with this=20 wonderful feature? Why can't=20 they use such brilliant Developers to concentrate on=20 thoroughly testing their code so it does not need a = lot of=20 patchwork. Patching should be an exception, not a = routine=20 procedure that needs automation !!
 
BTW.. The new release may not be called 10i, after = all. 
 
- Kirti   
-----Original Message-----
From: April = Wells=20 [mailto:awells@csedge.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, = 2003 9:02=20 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list=20 ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Oracle 10

Did find out that it will automatically = download and=20 install all patches and OEM will allow it to be scheduled so = that you=20 don't actually have to do anything.  I think the boy who = demoed=20 that said it was a wonderful new feature.

April Wells
Oracle = DBA/Oracle=20 Apps DBA
Corporate Systems =
Amarillo Texas
Well-behaved = women=20 rarely make history


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:32 AM =
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Subject: Oracle 10


So, did you get to see Oracle 10 in action = at the=20 IOUG?

I wasn't there, but am curious.

Patrice.
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