Return-Path: Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (root@localhost) by orafaq.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h45JBP019714 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 14:11:25 -0500 X-ClientAddr: 209.68.248.164 Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h45JBPA19709 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 14:11:25 -0500 Received: from fatcity.com (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id JAA75057; Mon, 5 May 2003 09:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b72/bab) via UUCP id 0058FAF5; Mon, 05 May 2003 08:57:08 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:57:08 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Sender: "Jay Hostetter" Sender: root@fatcity.com Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com Errors-To: ML-ERRORS@fatcity.com From: "Jay Hostetter" Subject: Re: Oracle 10 Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California X-ListServer: v1.0g, build 72; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I rarely apply more than 2 or 3 patches per version. I wonder what the driving force was for that feature. They should just bring back the old Server Manager GUI. Jay >>> wisernet100@yahoo.com 05/05/03 10:21AM >>> We got a preview of the new OEM during Andy Mendelsohn's talk. HTML-based, what *really* scared me is that Oracle is just NOT listening. They demo'd OEM's ability to track what patches you need to apply, go out to the net (Metalink), download the patch and apply it. Automatically. See, I don't know about anyone else, but my production database servers sit behind several firewalls. And have no direct connection to the net. Nor do we want one. Oracle has been saying "administer your database from the web" since version 8 (I had a conversation with Ken Jacobs at an NYOUG meeting back then, trying to tell him why that was a BAD thing). Then they release alerts that say that the listener is vulnerable to attack and break-in. Then they demo a product that will open a connection to the net from my protected servers. Oh yeah, I'm gonna use OEM for that feature. NOT. Rachel --- "Boivin, Patrice J" wrote: > So, did you get to see Oracle 10 in action at the IOUG? > > I wasn't there, but am curious. > > Patrice. > -- **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of D&E except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: jhostetter@decommunications.com Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).