Return-Path: Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (root@localhost) by orafaq.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h45IfVo17866 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:41:31 -0500 X-ClientAddr: 209.68.248.164 Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h45IfVA17861 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:41:31 -0500 Received: from fatcity.com (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id JAA72812; Mon, 5 May 2003 09:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b72/bab) via UUCP id 0058F871; Mon, 05 May 2003 07:57:07 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 07:57:07 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Sender: Bob Lofstrand Sender: root@fatcity.com Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com Errors-To: ML-ERRORS@fatcity.com From: Bob Lofstrand Subject: RE: Oracle 10 Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California X-ListServer: v1.0g, build 72; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C31316.BD8E1740" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31316.BD8E1740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I went from terror to laughing my @$$ off back to terror in about a 4 second span. Leave it to Oracle to put you on a ride that can rival anything they have at Disneyland. Is there anybody out there that would use this feature on a database any larger or more significant than an access database used to track a cd collection? -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:57 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L At least it is a DOCUMENTED feature... I told Bob about that one... and he looked as terror struck as we were. April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas Well-behaved women rarely make history -----Original Message----- ] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We got a preview of the new OEM during Andy Mendelsohn's talk. HTML-based, what *really* scared me is that Oracle is just NOT listening. They demo'd OEM's ability to track what patches you need to apply, go out to the net (Metalink), download the patch and apply it. Automatically. See, I don't know about anyone else, but my production database servers sit behind several firewalls. And have no direct connection to the net. Nor do we want one. Oracle has been saying "administer your database from the web" since version 8 (I had a conversation with Ken Jacobs at an NYOUG meeting back then, trying to tell him why that was a BAD thing). Then they release alerts that say that the listener is vulnerable to attack and break-in. Then they demo a product that will open a connection to the net from my protected servers. Oh yeah, I'm gonna use OEM for that feature. NOT. Rachel --- "Boivin, Patrice J" wrote: > So, did you get to see Oracle 10 in action at the IOUG? > > I wasn't there, but am curious. > > Patrice. > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: BoivinP@mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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I went from terror to laughing my @$$ off back to terror in about a 4 second span. Leave it to Oracle to put you on a ride that can rival anything they have at Disneyland. Is there anybody out there that would use this feature on a database any larger or more significant than an access database used to track a cd collection?
-----Original Message-----
From: April Wells
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:57 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Oracle 10

At least it is a DOCUMENTED feature...

I told Bob about that one... and he looked as terror struck as we were.

April Wells
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
Corporate Systems
Amarillo Texas
Well-behaved women rarely make history


-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:22 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Oracle 10


We got a preview of the new OEM during Andy Mendelsohn's talk.

HTML-based, what *really* scared me is that Oracle is just NOT
listening. They demo'd OEM's ability to track what patches you need to
apply, go out to the net (Metalink), download the patch and apply it.
Automatically.

See, I don't know about anyone else, but my production database servers
sit behind several firewalls. And have no direct connection to the net.
Nor do we want one.

Oracle has been saying "administer your database from the web" since
version 8 (I had a conversation with Ken Jacobs at an NYOUG meeting
back then, trying to tell him why that was a BAD thing). Then they
release alerts that say that the listener is vulnerable to attack and
break-in. Then they demo a product that will open a connection to the
net from my protected servers.

Oh yeah, I'm gonna use OEM for that feature. NOT.

Rachel
--- "Boivin, Patrice J" <BoivinP@mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca> wrote:
> So, did you get to see Oracle 10 in action at the IOUG?
>
> I wasn't there, but am curious.
>
> Patrice.
> --
> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> --
> Author: Boivin, Patrice J
>   INET: BoivinP@mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
>
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