Message-Id: <24726.322559@fatcity.com> From: Paula_Stankus@doh.state.fl.us Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:24:42 -0500 Subject: RE: Value of OCP This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EF05.9820B330 Content-Type: text/plain I held out for 8 years as an Oracle DBA. I had been sent to training and interviewed Oracle DBA's and worked for Oracle as a DBA consultant w/o having the certification. It was based on my personal reputation, experience, network and interview. Those I believe still count more. However, in this tight IT market and with Oracle not doing altogether well in the RDBMS market it's all good. Just get it on the cheap I say. Also, it may be the tie breaker for a new job. I wouldn't expect reimbursement or automatic job raise on this alone with the market in IT being what it was. Plus I got annoyed with this being used to justify the invalid argument of a much less experienced, less talented person by a pointed-haired management type. Oracle OCP DBA -----Original Message----- From: Pete Sharman [mailto:peter.sharman@oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Value of OCP Dang, I gotta get a copy of that report to my manager! After going through the 7.3, 8, 8i and 9i OCP AND the OCM, I don't think any of them got me a pay increase! ;) Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -----Original Message----- WILLIAMS Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Foote Partners surveys the value of certifications. They support that over the past two years, the OCP pay premium increased by nearly 40%. In the same period, the value of Microsoft MCP declined by nearly 60%. A good article on the value of certifications. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,936853,00.asp I don't see where they included the Foote data online. It is in the eWeek magazine 3/17/03 edition, page 50. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. dwilliams@lifetouch.com Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. dwilliams@lifetouch.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: DWILLIAMS@LIFETOUCH.COM Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: peter.sharman@oracle.com Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EF05.9820B330 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Value of OCP

I held out for 8 years as an Oracle DBA.  I had = been sent to training and interviewed Oracle DBA's and worked for = Oracle as a DBA consultant w/o having the certification.  It was = based on my personal reputation, experience, network and = interview.  Those I believe still count more.  However, in = this tight IT market and with Oracle not doing altogether well in the = RDBMS market it's all good.  Just get it on the cheap I say.  = Also, it may be the tie breaker for a new job.  I wouldn't expect = reimbursement or automatic job raise on this alone with the market in = IT being what it was. 

Plus I got annoyed with this being used to justify = the invalid argument of a much less experienced, less talented person = by a pointed-haired management type. 

Oracle OCP DBA


-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Sharman [mailto:peter.sharman@oracle.com= ]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:36 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Value of OCP


Dang, I gotta get a copy of that report to my = manager!  After going
through the 7.3, 8, 8i and 9i OCP AND the OCM, I = don't think any of them
got me a pay increase!  ;)

Pete
"Controlling developers is like herding = cats."
Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
"Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than = that!"
Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
 


-----Original Message-----
WILLIAMS
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Foote Partners surveys the value of certifications. = They support that
over the past two years, the OCP pay premium = increased by nearly 40%. In
the same period, the value of Microsoft MCP declined = by nearly 60%.

A good article on the value of certifications.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,936853,00.asp=
I don't see where they included the Foote data = online. It is in the
eWeek magazine 3/17/03 edition, page 50.

Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams@lifetouch.com


Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams@lifetouch.com
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