Return-Path: Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (root@localhost) by orafaq.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PMBEF15620 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:11:14 -0600 X-ClientAddr: 209.68.248.164 Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PMBDh15611 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:11:13 -0600 Received: from fatcity.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id KAA54693; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b72/bab) via UUCP id 00558E44; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:35:23 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:35:23 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Sender: "Henry Poras" Sender: root@fatcity.com Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com Errors-To: ML-ERRORS@fatcity.com From: "Henry Poras" Subject: RE: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California X-ListServer: v1.0g, build 72; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01C2DCD2.6E163FF0" ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C2DCD2.6E163FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skill Sets - This may be a dumb questionLisa, I'm sorry for selfish reasons. I liked having someone else on a Peoplesoft/Oracle/AIX environment out there. As far as the new position, just change your job title to Data Architect (what does that do to your tag lines?) Henry -----Original Message----- From: root@fatcity.com [mailto:root@fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Koivu, Lisa Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question Hello everyone, Well I've been "reassigned". I was responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX environment but management here decided that it was more important to separate a husband and wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them to be primary support in this environment instead of me. (sshh: The new person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.) My primary job is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, moving on into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server database. I will not be the admin on the Sql Server database. My new boss referred to this as "database architecture". ?? What? They have already decided what they want done and just want someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with unrealistic deadlines. The main reason why I am upset is because it seems to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill. I am concerned about keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle environment, whether it's a mess or not. Seems to me that data modeling alone isn't something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your resume. I think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, Erwin, Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is what HR depts can easily deal with. Am I wrong? This job pays well and working for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the bureaucracy similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph. And I know in this market I am just lucky to have a job. And please tell me if I'm whining. I may just need a KITA. Who knows anymore... Lisa Koivu Oracle Drink Beer Again Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 Office: 954-935-4117 Fax: 954-935-3639 Cell: 954-683-4459 "The sender believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments." -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: Lisa.Koivu@efairfield.com Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C2DCD2.6E163FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Skill Sets - This may be a dumb question
Lisa,
I'm=20 sorry for selfish reasons. I liked having someone else on a=20 Peoplesoft/Oracle/AIX environment out there. As far as the new position, = just=20 change your job title to Data Architect (what does that do to your tag=20 lines?)
 
Henry
 
-----Original Message-----
From: root@fatcity.com=20 [mailto:root@fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Koivu, = Lisa
Sent:=20 Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:34 AM
To: Multiple recipients = of list=20 ORACLE-L
Subject: Skill Sets - This may be a dumb=20 question

Hello everyone,

Well I've been "reassigned".  I = was=20 responsible for the completely messed up Peoplesoft Oracle/AIX = environment but=20 management here decided that it was more important to separate a = husband and=20 wife that both work in the same department, and assigned one of them = to be=20 primary support in this environment instead of me.  (sshh:  = The new=20 person who is primary doesn't know a thing about Unix.)  My = primary job=20 is now suppossed to be data modeling and data warehouse/mart design, = moving on=20 into Problematica (er, Informatica) development into a Sql Server=20 database.  I will not be the admin on the Sql Server = database.  My=20 new boss referred to this as "database architecture".  ?? =20 What?  They have already decided what they want done and just = want=20 someone to take the pretty pictures and implement them with = unrealistic=20 deadlines.

The main reason why I am upset is = because it seems=20 to me that data modeling is such a "soft" skill.  I am concerned = about=20 keeping my skills up to date and keeping my hands in an Oracle = environment,=20 whether it's a mess or not.  Seems to me that data modeling alone = isn't=20 something that can land you a new job or really spiff up your = resume.  I=20 think that having a finite list of skills (Oracle, Unix, Windows 2000, = Erwin,=20 Project, crap like that) is more what employers search for, and is = what HR=20 depts can easily deal with.

Am I wrong?  This job pays well = and working=20 for a huge company has it's benefits, if you can deal with the = bureaucracy=20 similar to what is described in the 1st paragraph.  And I know in = this=20 market I am just lucky to have a job. 

And please tell me if I'm = whining.  I may just=20 need a KITA.  Who knows anymore...

Lisa Koivu
Oracle Drink Beer Again
Fairfield=20 Resorts, Inc.
5259 Coconut = Creek=20 Parkway
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, = USA =20 33063
Office: = 954-935-4117 =20
Fax:    = 954-935-3639=20
Cell:    = 954-683-4459

"The sender=20 believes that this E-Mail and any attachments were free of any virus, = worm,=20 Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its=20 attachments could have been infected during transmission.  By = reading the=20 message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full = responsibility=20 for taking proactive and remedial action about viruses and other = defects. The=20 sender's business entity is not liable for any loss or damage arising = in any=20 way from this message or its attachments."

-- Please = see the=20 official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Koivu, Lisa = INET:=20 Lisa.Koivu@efairfield.com Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051=20 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web = hosting=20 services = ---------------------------------------------------------------------=20 To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to:=20 ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the = message=20 BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of = mailing list=20 you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for = other=20 information (like subscribing).
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