Return-Path: Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (root@localhost) by orafaq.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1EKUCE25115 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:30:12 -0600 X-ClientAddr: 209.68.248.164 Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1EKUBQ25103 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:30:11 -0600 Received: from fatcity.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id JAA87834; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b72/bab) via UUCP id 0054DC32; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:34:38 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:34:38 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Sender: Chris Stephens Sender: root@fatcity.com Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com Errors-To: ML-ERRORS@fatcity.com From: Chris Stephens Subject: RE: Oracle 8i or 9i ? Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California X-ListServer: v1.0g, build 72; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2D446.BAB41B00" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D446.BAB41B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The $3000 is true if he takes them through 'oracle' university but not if the local community college offers the classes. What I did (and it seemed to work fine) for my 8i certification is to go to the community college bookstore and just buy the 'official' manuals and never signed up for the classes. I was lucky enough to already have a jr dba position so I was getting the real-world experience and I had a fairly decent idea of how oracle worked at a very basic level. (although I will say that my confidence in what I know has dropped dramatically in the last several months since I joined this list and began reading book's such as steve adams' 'oracle internals' and jonathan lewis's 'oracle 8i building efficient databases'...which has spawned an enormous interest in continuing to improve my knowledge of all things oracle) What really, really erks me is the fact that these certifications have been cheapened by people who relay specific test questions and even entire exams over the internet. People should be in it for the knowledge....not just to get that certificate. I'd be scared sh#tless if I found a job where I pretended to be a dba and justified it by my certification only to be given actual dba responsibilities. ...i'd rather work at a coffee shop and not have to deal with the stress (but that's just me) Anyways, I'm rambling now. Chris Oh yeah....a BIG OL THANKS to the pros on this list that put up with questions from people like me! Your knowledge is GREATLY appreciated. Have a good one. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 9i will cost you more in the long run because you have to take 4 exams at $150 each plus a $3000 course to get OCP. 8i then upgrade to 9i will cost you less but requires you to take up to 6 exams at $150 each but no more $3000 course. -- Lyndon Tiu Quoting Les Ayudo : > Hello, > > I'm thinking of going to school to get Oracle certified. There are > 2 schools in my area that are offering Oracle certs but one offers > Oracle 8i courses w/ an upgrade to 9i, while the other offers all > 9i courses. If i go to the schools who offers 9i courses, would I > miss out on valuable 8i knowledge? Which school should I attend? > The courses will last about 7 or 8 months. Also, is this a good > "in demand" field to get into? What chances am I looking at to > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate? > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs to > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be > following? Thanks in advance!! > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Lyndon Tiu INET: ltiu@alumni.sfu.ca Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D446.BAB41B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Oracle 8i or 9i ?

The $3000 is true if he takes them through 'oracle' = university but not if the local community college offers the = classes.

What I did (and it seemed to work fine) for my 8i = certification is to go to the community college bookstore and just buy = the 'official' manuals and never signed up for the classes.  I was = lucky enough to already have a jr dba position so I was getting the = real-world experience and I had a fairly decent idea of how oracle = worked at a very basic level.  (although I will say that my = confidence in what I know has dropped dramatically in the last several = months since I joined this list and began reading book's such as steve = adams' 'oracle internals' and jonathan lewis's 'oracle 8i building = efficient databases'...which has spawned an enormous interest in = continuing to improve my knowledge of all things oracle)

What really, really erks me is the fact that these = certifications have been cheapened by people who relay specific test = questions and even entire exams over the internet. People should be in = it for the knowledge....not just to get that certificate.  I'd be = scared sh#tless if I found a job where I pretended to be a dba and = justified it by my certification only to be given actual dba = responsibilities.  ...i'd rather work at a coffee shop and not = have to deal with the stress (but that's just me)

Anyways, I'm rambling now.  

Chris

Oh yeah....a BIG OL THANKS to the pros on this list = that put up with questions from people like me!  Your knowledge is = GREATLY appreciated.

Have a good one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:ltiu@alumni.sfu.ca] =
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:49 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ?

9i will cost you more in the long run because you = have to take 4 exams
at $150 each plus a $3000 course to get OCP.

8i then upgrade to 9i will cost you less but requires = you to take up
to 6 exams at $150 each but no more $3000 = course.

--
Lyndon Tiu


Quoting Les Ayudo <info@lesayudo.com>:

> Hello,
>
> I'm thinking of going to school to get Oracle = certified.  There are
> 2 schools in my area that are offering Oracle = certs but one offers
> Oracle 8i courses w/ an upgrade to 9i, while = the other offers all
> 9i courses.  If i go to the schools who = offers 9i courses, would I
> miss out on valuable 8i knowledge?  Which = school should I attend?
> The courses will last about 7 or 8 = months.  Also, is this a good
> "in demand" field to get into?  = What chances am I looking at to
> getting hired as a newbie DBA once I = graduate? 
>
> I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle = (connecting DBs to
> websites/portals?).  Which = certification/path should I be
> following?  Thanks in advance!!
>


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