Return-Path: Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (root@localhost) by orafaq.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1E1KEE11872 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:20:14 -0600 X-ClientAddr: 209.68.248.164 Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1E1KDQ11867 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:20:13 -0600 Received: from fatcity.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id OAA03030; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b72/bab) via UUCP id 0054CCCE; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:22:45 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:22:45 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Sender: "Orr, Steve" Sender: root@fatcity.com Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com Errors-To: ML-ERRORS@fatcity.com From: "Orr, Steve" Subject: OT: Open Source Threats to Oracle Database Hegemony Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California X-ListServer: v1.0g, build 72; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2D3A5.D4B91880" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D3A5.D4B91880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I echo your PostgreSQL sentiments. It performed nicely on a Perl::DBI benchmark routine I developed and MySQL/InnoDB still seemed to get bogged down with intense transaction activity. Oracle outperformed them both but $'s/transaction is a viable metric too. I doubt the open source stuff will ever be as powerful as Oracle but most shops don't need its power or use more than a fraction of its functionality. I'm hoping the most positive side effect of open source database competition is a significant reduction of Oracle license costs. We had some MySQL dudes here 2 weeks ago and they have very ambitious plans. Leave to the open source community to enable the proliferation of the weapons of mass datamation. "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." Vishnu -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:28 PM To: Orr, Steve; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Steve, I'd say IF. Reason is that MySql has a commercial company behind it and it appears that they see $$$$ looming in the near future. Their licensing costs have risen in the last 3 months. Granted their a pile cheaper than Oracle (correction, make that a mountain), but as always if there's a buck to be made.... Personally I prefer PostGreSql, which happens to be the direction our WEB master wants to head off on. Dick Goulet ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: "Orr; Steve" Date: 2/13/2003 9:08 AM For me the question is not "If?" but "When?" Any prognostications? -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Mark my words, it will happen. ...The MySQL part, not the outsourcing part. :) Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - RMOUG Training Days 2003, Mar 5-6 Denver - Hotsos Clinic 101, Mar 25-27 London -----Original Message----- Jared.Still@radisys.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If MySql continues as planned, I think Oracle will find it a force to be reckoned with, much as MS has discovered to be true about Linux. Of course by that time, according to the latest IT business intelligence as seen in Computer World, most of our jobs will have been outsourced by then, and it wont' matter much. Jared "Weiss, Rick" Sent by: root@fatcity.com 02/11/2003 03:04 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L cc: Subject: RE: Oracle License for Training A question for the DBA Gods on this list: Is it worth the time/effort to download MySQL and learn it? Is there going to be a viable (meaning $$) market for the product in the future? Or should I leave all the egg$ in the Oracle basket? Musing for fun and profit. Rick Weiss -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L MS SQL costing less than Oracle is only partly true. If you load up MS with the extras that constitute a std feature set on Oracle, Oracle is very competitive. Been lots of comparisons on that. Now PostgreSQL and MySQL, those *are* less expensize than MS SQL and Oracle. :) Jared -- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D3A5.D4B91880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT: Open Source Threats to Oracle Database Hegemony

I echo your PostgreSQL sentiments. It performed = nicely on a Perl::DBI benchmark routine I developed and MySQL/InnoDB = still seemed to get bogged down with intense transaction activity. = Oracle outperformed them both but $'s/transaction is a viable metric = too. I doubt the open source stuff will ever be as powerful as Oracle = but most shops don't need its power or use more than a fraction of its = functionality. I'm hoping the most positive side effect of open source = database competition is a significant reduction of Oracle license = costs.

We had some MySQL dudes here 2 weeks ago and they = have very ambitious plans. Leave to the open source community to enable = the proliferation of the weapons of mass datamation.

"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of = worlds." 
Vishnu


-----Original Message-----
From: dgoulet@vicr.com [mailto:dgoulet@vicr.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:28 PM
To: Orr, Steve; Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L
Subject: Re:RE: Oracle License for Training

Steve,

    I'd say IF.  Reason is that = MySql has a commercial company behind it and it appears that they see = $$$$ looming in the near future.  Their licensing costs have risen = in the last 3 months.  Granted their a pile cheaper than Oracle = (correction, make that a mountain), but as always if there's a buck to = be made....  Personally I prefer PostGreSql, which happens to be = the direction our WEB master wants to head off on.

Dick Goulet

____________________Reply = Separator____________________
Subject:    RE: Oracle License for = Training
Author: "Orr; Steve" = <sorr@rightnow.com>
Date:       2/13/2003 = 9:08 AM

For me the question is not "If?" but = "When?"

Any prognostications?


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Mark my words, it will happen.

...The MySQL part, not the outsourcing part. = :)


Cary Millsap
Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd.
http://www.hotsos.com

Upcoming events:
- RMOUG Training Days 2003, Mar 5-6 Denver
- Hotsos Clinic 101, Mar 25-27 London

-----Original Message-----
Jared.Still@radisys.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:59 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

If MySql continues as planned,  I think Oracle = will
find it a force to be reckoned with, much as = MS
has discovered to be true about Linux.

Of course by that time, according to the latest IT =
business intelligence as seen in Computer = World,
most of our jobs will have been outsourced by = then,
and it wont' matter much.

Jared


"Weiss, Rick" = <rweiss@state.mt.us>
Sent by: root@fatcity.com
 02/11/2003 03:04 PM
 Please respond to ORACLE-L

        = To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
<ORACLE-L@fatcity.com>
        cc: =
        = Subject:        RE: Oracle License = for Training

A question for the DBA Gods on this list:
Is it worth the time/effort to download MySQL and = learn it?  Is there
going to be a viable (meaning $$) market for the = product in the future? Or
should I leave all the egg$ in the Oracle = basket?

Musing for fun and profit.

Rick Weiss

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

MS SQL costing less than Oracle is only partly = true.

If you load up MS with the extras that constitute a = std
feature set on Oracle, Oracle is very = competitive.

Been lots of comparisons on that.

Now PostgreSQL and MySQL, those *are* less expensize = than
MS SQL and Oracle.  :)

Jared
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