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It's not just the new releases, but the withdrawal of support for "old" releases which is the problem.  Look at the 9.0.2 vs. 9.0.1.  Oracle had announced the end of 9.0.1 support before they had released the first patchset to 9.0.2.  While I admire those folks on the hemorrhaging edge, standard practice for most sites has been not to move to a new version until at least the first patchset.   Yes 9.0.2 fixed many  bugs in 9.0.1, but those bugs were also fixed in patchsets.  Also any bugs found in 9.0.1  after the 9.0.2 code was frozen make have been fixed in a patchset for 9.0.1, but still present in 9.0.2. 

The other problem is those of us who have to maintain 24 X 7 databases.  We have some which collect metadata on physics experiments.  Even when the accelerator is not working these databases are being hit hard  by data analysts.   This year I had a 4 hour window to upgrade one system.  Even then I just upgraded it form 8.1.6 to 8.1.7.


Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
ian@SLAC.Stanford.edu

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Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 11:09 AM
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Mladen,

I think this is the wrong attitude, to be honest, and it's not Oracle's fault. This is the result, in large part, of competitive pressures. Oracle must keep up or loose market share, loose revenue, and finally loose investor confidence. In a sense, it's *out* fault, as we demand that Oracle support this (for example, partitioning or drop column or XML) and we fault it if they do not (e.g. Well UDB does this, or SQL Server does that). We are the precipitous of all of this change ultimately.

We are actually using 9i on several production systems, and I've got 9iR2 on it's way. I've been banging 9iR2 pretty hard over the past 6 months. I think it's much more solid than 9iR1 was. Highly recommend that if you are going to move to 9, that you make it 9iR2.


RF

Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP
Oracle Database Architect
CSX Midtier Database Administration
Author of several Oracle books you can find on Amazon.com!

Londo Mollari: Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. 

 
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I don't want to express my real feelings but @#$%! oracle should give us some time to get accustomed to the @#$%! 9i 
first. Is anybody here running 9i in production? My production 
systems are still on 8i, 8.0 (Oracle Financials) and even 7.3. Who makes so stupid business decisions at @#$%! Oracle? Are 
they out of their @#$%! mind?

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> Heard from Tom Kyte that 10i should be out by Dec'03. He also
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> Prakash
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> The day we all finish upgrading our databases to 9i.
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> Sunil Nookala
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> Has anyone heard when Oracle will be releasing version 10i?
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