Re:RE: Senware AutoDBA

OK, Since we're into a discussion of the pro's and con's of AutoDBA, My basic problem with it is that I really don't like software that tries to "fix" things based on it's idea of the perfect world. Sure I appreciate the scripts, but leave it to me to run them at a time that is more advantageous to me (namely scheduled downtime, after a full cold backup) and allow me to watch it execute and log it, or ignore the script all together. Having written software that does some proactive maintenance I find that it's impossible to handle every possible error condition that could happen. Oh, and throwing additional hardware at a problem is certainly not the best solution. It can make things worse, not better.

Dick Goulet

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Author: "Karniotis; Stephen" <Stephen_Karniotis_at_compuware.com>
Date:       8/21/2002 12:24 PM

I'll add to John's comments. It took John, Kirti & myself to keep Gaja calm during the presentation. Once we all walked out, Gaja went outside and vented. Their solution is unusual as they believe that performance can optimized by adding hardware to the solution.

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
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FWIW, someone from Senware presented a paper at IOUG 2002 titled 'Performance management from the ground up' (or somthing like that) which was a load of &*$% to say the least. Most of the audience (many on this list) walked out in disgust after the first 10 minutes.... (Does someone remember the 'green peas' story?) If their product is even twice as good as their rep, it would not be worth considering.

I am not blaming their desperate tactics however. Anything to sell a product in this economy :( Just came off a marketing call on the office phone for services I don't need!

John

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> From: Jared.Still_at_radisys.com [mailto:Jared.Still_at_radisys.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:04 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: Senware AutoDBA
>
>
> Interesting web site.
>
> They claim to eliminate chained rows by rebuilding the tables.
> I'd like to see how they intend to do that.
>
> They also claim that their product can detect corrupt indexes
> and rebuild them. How hard can it be to detect ORA-1578?
> This kind of thing is fairly rare, and hardly seems worth the
> resources to run DBMS_REPAIR or dbv to check for.
>
> Their MO is hardly new. IBM has had a team in place for years
> designed to make an end run around the purchasing mgr/DBA/whoever
> when their product wasn't selected. They go to upper mgt to
> try and convince them of the foolish mistake the product
> evaluators made.
>
> Not surprising that others follow their lead.
>
> Jared
>

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