Return-Path: Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by naude.co.za (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g7FFRl125338 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:27:47 -0400 Received: from fatcity.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id IAA56635; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b71/bab) via UUCP id 004B60B0; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:03:33 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:03:33 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Sender: "Deshpande, Kirti" Sender: root@fatcity.com Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com Errors-To: ML-ERRORS@fatcity.com From: "Deshpande, Kirti" Subject: RE: Query Optimization of the future... Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California X-ListServer: v1.0g, build 71; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C24463.E8530080" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24463.E8530080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, Tim. I thought it was pretty 'interesting' response from Oracle Marketing ;) - Kirti -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good post, Kirti! Quote... "Oracle Corp. says its customers are moving toward data stores of huge size and complexity, spread over multiple locations. The company says its products will not only evolve to handle those kinds of jobs, but will also do them extraordinarily well. "Over the next couple of releases, we'll see essentially fully autonomous databases," says Robert Shimp, vice president of database marketing." --- Well, he had to say *something* after IBM and Microsoft had such cool things to announce and discuss. Assuming the past record of 3-5 years on average between releases, the "next couple releases" will take 6-15 years or so. Personally, by that time I'll be expecting artificial intelligence, rather than just *autonomy*. Of course, I'm also expecting to be dead, too... It's clear that the basic research efforts by both IBM and Microsoft continue to bear fruit. IBM has a decades-old tradition of pushing its people to PhD research, while Microsoft has just gotten started relatively recently. To my knowledge, Oracle does not have a similar program within, does it? Nevertheless, Oracle has made a living exploiting publicly available basic research (starting with its origins) and luring people from elsewhere (remember Informix's lawsuit some years ago?). As IBM, AT&T, and Xerox will attest, its really tough to keep basic research under wraps for exploitation... Still, LEO and "stream queries" aren't necessary very far off in Oracle. Well, maybe LEO is, but not "stream queries" when you consider the underlying aspects of external tables... ----- Original Message ----- kirti.deshpande@verizon.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" < ORACLE-L@fatcity.com> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:28 AM > Interesting article on Query Optimization research.. > http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,7316 > 4,00.html > > - Kirti > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Deshpande, Kirti > INET: kirti.deshpande@verizon.com > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24463.E8530080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Thanks, Tim.
 
I thought it was pretty 'interesting' response from Oracle Marketing ;) 
 
- Kirti

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Gorman [mailto:Tim@SageLogix.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:29 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Query Optimization of the future...

Good post, Kirti!
 
Quote...
 
"Oracle Corp. says its customers are moving toward data stores of huge size and complexity, spread over multiple locations. The company says its products will not only evolve to handle those kinds of jobs, but will also do them extraordinarily well. "Over the next couple of releases, we'll see essentially fully autonomous databases," says Robert Shimp, vice president of database marketing."
 
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Well, he had to say *something* after IBM and Microsoft had such cool things to announce and discuss.  Assuming the past record of 3-5 years on average between releases, the "next couple releases" will take 6-15 years or so.  Personally, by that time I'll be expecting artificial intelligence, rather than just *autonomy*.  Of course, I'm also expecting to be dead, too...
 
It's clear that the basic research efforts by both IBM and Microsoft continue to bear fruit.  IBM has a decades-old tradition of pushing its people to PhD research, while Microsoft has just gotten started relatively recently.  To my knowledge, Oracle does not have a similar program within, does it?
 
Nevertheless, Oracle has made a living exploiting publicly available basic research (starting with its origins) and luring people from elsewhere (remember Informix's lawsuit some years ago?).  As IBM, AT&T, and Xerox will attest, its really tough to keep basic research under wraps for exploitation...
 
Still, LEO and "stream queries" aren't necessary very far off in Oracle.  Well, maybe LEO is, but not "stream queries" when you consider the underlying aspects of external tables...
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deshpande, Kirti" <kirti.deshpande@verizon.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L@fatcity.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:28 AM
Subject: Query Optimization of the future...

> Interesting article on Query Optimization research..
> http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,7316
> 4,00.html
>
> - Kirti
> --
> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> --
> Author: Deshpande, Kirti
>   INET: kirti.deshpande@verizon.com
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