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Dan,
you as someone who figures out how things work? Nah :)
I'm STILL trying to understand the deep detail you went into on the undo segments.
Okay my two cents on this. Tools are great IF you know their limitations. And the only way to know the limitations is to know how to do it manually.
For years I supported production systems. While in the office, I had the advantage of many of the monitoring tools. If there was a problem in the middle of the night, the dial-up line didn't really support my running the tool
I also don't always have the luxury of time to invent that wheel. Too few DBAs with too many projects means I'll take whatever tools I can get.
On the other hand, I have a developer here, senior person, who moans and whines when she can't use SQL Navigator or PL/SQL Debugger to write code and test it. I mean, you CAN use SQL*Plus to do this but you'd think we were putting her on the rack when she has to.
Rachel
--- "Fink, Dan" <Dan.Fink_at_mdx.com> wrote:
> Jared,
> I agree with your advantages. I am a big believer in the last point.
> If you don't know how stuff works, you are helpless in the absence of
> the
> tool (I'm dealing with this frustration right now...not me, but
> someone else
> who can't live without a certain tool). I am a big believer in
> figuring out
> how things work (a few on the list can vouch for me on that one...),
> but it
> is not always the most economical method to manage many systems.
> There comes
> a point where you don't need to reinvent the wheel and update it for
> each
> new release. I don't have access to the advance releases and all
> platforms
> of the oracle server, so I am limited in what I can do, even if I had
> the
> time.
> Any tool, whether it is GUI or TUI (like a shell script that runs in
> a cron and emails), can cause disconnect. The fault lies not in the
> tool,
> but in the user. Tools don't cause disconnects, People do...
>
> Dan "Waiting for Perl for Oracle DBA's to hit the shelves at SoftPro"
> Fink
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:00 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> On Thursday 01 August 2002 09:45, Fink, Dan wrote:
> > Case in point, many databases with
> > few dbas. Logging in each morning to each database and checking
> status and
> > metrics is very inefficient. By the time all the databases are
> checked,
> the
> > day is over. This leaves no time to diagnose and repair problems.
> Scheduled
> > jobs (cron/AT/dbms_job) that query the database/logs and send email
> is
> more
> > effecient. At this point you have a tool. A monitoring tool,
> properly
> > architected and configured, can assist greatly by allowing the dbas
> to
> > focus on preventing problems and not wasting time determining that
> there
> is
> > nothing to worry about.
> >
>
> Dan,
>
> Advantages of rolling your own:
>
> * they do what you want, and only what you want
> * if your needs change, you can modify them
> * you don't have to deal with tech support to fix your tools
> * you have to learn how stuff works to monitor it
>
> Well, that last bullet point seems to be temporary with me, I
> seem to forget stuff after not being close to it for awhile.
>
> That also serves to point out what a disconnect GUI tools are.
>
> <shameless_self_promotion>
>
> You want some tools? Reserve your copy of "Perl for Oracle DBA's".
> :)
>
> </shameless_self_promotion>
>
> Jared
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