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where's the mallet? wack-away!
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Nothing wrong with tools! ;P
I'll shut up now, before I get swatted by DG for piping my sales critter head up above the crowd :>
Mark
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-----Original Message-----
Jahnke
Sent: 01 August 2002 16:33
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Hello
I do not state that Oracle's GUI tools are all unusable. The point is that
the developers basically have to take of their instances without having that
much Oracle DBA know how. They don't even want to deal OID and the like. But
to have the same level of "comfortableness" that for example SQL Server (or
DB2 UDB) offer (with GUI tool support) out of the box, you have to setup a
bunch of extra stuff on Oracle (like OID). That's what annoys them. And I a)
don't have the time and b) are not supposed to spend time on setting up OID
(or anything else) for them. Another valid example would be the fact that on
DB2 UDB and SQL Server, you have visual support for explain plan. Not that
it makes much of a difference (same content, different presentation), but
people like that GUI stuff and that leads to them regarding Oracle as
"stone-age-out-of-date" stuff, especially (or only) if their used to work in
a Windoze environment.
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Von: Yechiel Adar [mailto:adar76_at_inter.net.il]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. August 2002 16:08
An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Betreff: Re: Guys: Is this worth $1,749 for 8 year Oracle veteran DBA
I disagree with you guys.
I am using the Database Configuration Assistance and Dbastudio a lot and had
no problem with them.
As for the tnsnames you can use name server or do as we do and start
checking out the OID for central repository of databases.
The GUI tools are a little :-) on the heavy side but they do their functions.
Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:58 PM
Hi
That's true. You should at least have the option to use (usable;) GUI tools.
Just yesterday, I had a developer (who usually works with SQL Server) asking
me
wether he always has to mess around with this client thing ... *what client
thing ?*.
Actually, he meant the tnsnames.ora. After a short monologue about Oracle
Names and OID,
he just popped up some SQL Server GUI stuff, that displayed a catalog of all
DB servers,
all databases, no files to maintain, no nothing, just works.
So, what does one say then to justify the Oracle way ? Not much.
Since usability influences decision makers (and younger developers) a lot,
Oracle might
loose here with the "You don't know all the command line tool options and
SQL statements by heart ?
- You're too stupid to work with Oracle, go ask your local Oracle guru or
study your $%§ss off and
get certified."
Regards
Stefan
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