Re: Oracle on Linux ..... Red Hat vs. Suse

On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 10:38:18PM -0800, Gogala, Mladen wrote:
> No, it's not certified, but I know the guy who successfully installed
> 9.2 on the cooker. Certificates are of limited value in the Linux world.

Production support might be of interest, someday, in the "linux world." I'd hate to explain to customers that I won't be bringing a service up because I decided to run on an unsupported platform. You will need to be getting this in the "linux world."

> A product can be certified and yet you may suffer when installing. We're
> still
> living in the early days of linux. Later on, RH will become another
> Microsoft
> and we'll have 2 Behemoth companies instead of one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:23 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 03:04:03PM -0800, ltiu wrote:
> > Mandrake 8.1/8.2 works really well with Oracle 9i Release 2.
>
>
> but is not certified by Oracle.
>
>
>
> >
> > It's RH compatible, meaning applications are numerous but it does not have
> the
> > faulty compiler and it's still free unlike Suse. Downloads are easy to get
> at as
> > well. A lot easier than RH and Suse.
> >
> > ltiu
> >
> > Quoting "Gogala, Mladen" <MGogala_at_oxhp.com>:
> >
> > > Well, I switched from RH 6.2 to SuSE 7.2 (now I'm running 8.0)
> > > and here are my impressions:
> > > 1) RH was using a proprietary compiler (gcc 2.96) and libraries
> > > were incompatible with many independent pieces of software.
> > > In particular, Oracle installation was a genuine nightmare.
> > > No way I'm going back to RH while they're using that @#$!
> > > compiler.
> > > 2) Availability of software for SuSE is very poor. Nothing on the
> > > rpmfind.net,
> > > their website is lousy and they are working very hard to make it even
> > > worse. In particular, they used to have a subdirectory called
> > > "full-names"
> > > where one could find all rpm packages that were officially available
> for
> > > a
> > > given release. That was far too easy, so they removed that directory
> and
> > > replaced it with the file "INDEX.gz" which you are supposed to
> download,
> > >
> > > "zgrep" for the given package and then download it from it's location.
> > > 3) SuSE technical support is bad and less then useless. RH wasn't a
> shining
> > > example of customer service either, but SuSE really shows you what
> the
> > > word
> > > untermensch really means.
> > > 4) SuSE kernel is tainted and is not reporting version the way it's
> > > supposed
> > > to.
> > > That confuses the heck out of the utilities like OSS sound drivers.
> When
> > > I
> > > asked SuSE for help they told me to use ALSA (I've paid for OSS and
> with
> > > ALSA
> > > my mic was dead as dodo). When further pressed, they told me that
> kernel
> > > relinking
> > > is for gurus only and to stay away from that nasty stuff. Eventually,
> I
> > > downloaded
> > > a standard kernel, linked it to fit my HW, installed OSS and it
> worked
> > > perfectly.
> > > SuSE kernel has completely unexpected dependencies and cannot be
> > > compiled
> > > easily
> > > without the help from SuSE. The latter is impossible to get.
> > > 5) Software is installed in curious places (xmms is installed under
> > > /usr/X11
> > > so that
> > > you cannot use plugin rpms) and is always at least a version behind.
> > > Ximian GNOME
> > > doesn't work quite well and one needs an expert to do so, otherwise,
> > > only
> > > KDE is
> > > left.
> > > 6) SuSE has memory test as one of the booting options which was an
> > > extremely
> > >
> > > convenient thing when I was installing additional memory and my DIMM
> was
> > > bad.
> > > 7) The latest RH betas are done with gcc 3.1 which is an official gcc
> > > release.
> > > As soon as that hits production, I'm switching back to RH, especially
> > > now
> > > when
> > > RH and Oracle Corp. resolved their differences.
> > >
> > > Mladen Gogala
> > > Oracle DBA
> > > Phone: (203) 459-6855
> > > Email: mgogala_at_oxhp.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: lembark_at_wrkhors.com [mailto:lembark_at_wrkhors.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 4:10 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Subject: Re: Oracle on Linux ..... Red Hat vs. Suse
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- Christopher Royce <ffm9np_at_onsemi.com> on 07/22/02 08:53:32 -0800
> > > >
> > > > > Have been unable to arrive at a definitive position
> > > >
> > > > There isn't one. There are tradeoffs between the two distro's.
> > > > Most of it comes down to which one you are more comfortable
> > > > with or which one does more things (including the installation)
> > > > that you cannot fathom.
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