RE: runInstaller

Amen to that Don.

I (or the other DBA) do all of our own Oracle installs. No-one else gets anywhere near it.

Lee

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• Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:23 AM

All this ranting is nice but consider the following:

1. You do not install oracle on a server so much. In fact, in our shop this is done by the technical people, not the DBA. The DBA got the machine with oracle already installed and just build the database.

That is really scary! DBAs don't install Oracle, but its done by :the technical people"????? Since when are DBAs not "technical"? Almost every time I've been dealt a machine with the Oracle software installed by a non-DBA (and even some DBAs), I've whacked it at the first opportunity and reinstalled. This has happened when "consultants" installed it (typically the default dbca stuff with all the defaults including the started database with all the demo crap), when hardware vendors installed it (typically very non-OFA, every option available, and also a "started database"), when SAs installed it (sometimes $ORACLE_HOME = oracle's $HOME = home for a bunch of other junk, other times everything owned by root!), etc.

2) When you have to do cross platform development Java is the tool to save on resources.

3) Any machine that's need to run a production database should be strong enough to run Java ok.

Yechiel Adar (not an oracle employee)
Mehish
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> Me thinks this was done to check off some boxes to indicate that Oracle is
> "easy" to install and maintain (OEM). These are boxes that SQL Server had
> checked off (I guess) for a long time, and Oracle didn't. And Oracle can
> check the Java box a few dozen times now. "Oracle is now easier for your
> (in)experienced IT shop to setup and maintain.", Oracle sales guy rants
and
> raves. "And you don't need to pay for those over-priced experienced DBAs
> anymore!!!", he exclaims. CIOs eyes glaze over...
>
> I am getting tired of W2K, and yearn to get back to Solaris....or any
*NIX.
> Sigh.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:Scott.Shafer_at_dcpds.cpms.osd.mil]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:24 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Oh the system does. That's a given. There is no need to java-fy
> everything. There was a perfectly good working installer. Not everyone
> wants to jump through the hoops of setting up xservers and watching all
your
> RAM consumed by the JRE.
>
> Perl and Perl TK are multi-platform, small footprint, etc. OEM 1.6 still
> had mostly Tcl/TK pieces and parts and ran fast and reliably. Not so for
> OEM 2.x. Give me a command line back for installs. That's not too much
to
> ask, right?
>
> Scott Shafer
> San Antonio, TX
> 210-581-6217
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ray Stell [SMTP:stellr_at_cns.vt.edu]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:48 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: Re: runInstaller
> >
> >
> >
> > You might look at silent mode install, Note:73510.1
> >
> > I have found that on really hot machines oui is a screamer. It could be
> > your system needs a facelift.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 12:47:19PM -0800,
Scott.Shafer_at_dcpds.cpms.osd.mil
> > wrote:
> > > What I wouldn't give for "./orainst /c" right now.
> > >
> > > <RANT>
> > >
> > > Where is the productivity and ease of use of the #$%^#@ OUI when it
> > takes
> > > hours and hours just to load up all the java crap! Piece of garbage
is
> > > enough to make me want to go back to 7.3.4 - and shoot the idiot who
> > thought
> > > up java...
> > >
> > > </RANT>
> > >
> > > Thankyou. I feel better about hating 9iAS now.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Shafer
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > > 210-581-6217
> > >
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