Return-Path: Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by naude.co.za (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g5S3R3032520 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:27:03 -0400 Received: from fatcity.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id MAA28646; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b71/bab) via UUCP id 0048AD5A; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:11:34 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:11:34 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Sender: "Michael Cupp" Sender: root@fatcity.com Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com Errors-To: ML-ERRORS@fatcity.com From: "Michael Cupp" Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio.. Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California X-ListServer: v1.0g, build 71; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C21E0D.92697D48" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C21E0D.92697D48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But can they be pursued by a civilian, or do they have to be gov't = sponsored? =20 -----Original Message----- From: KENNETH JANUSZ [mailto:kjanusz@att.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio.. =09 =09 If your background is clean these clearances should be no big deal. = When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto and = COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence clearances. SI is above TS. =20 Ken Janusz, CPIM Former U.S.N. Submariner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Khedr, Waleed =20 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L = =20 Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio.. Another certification! -----Original Message----- From: Jesse W. Asher [mailto:jasher1@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, = Ohio.. =09 =09 Very good question! I've wondered the same thing myself! =09 Michael Cupp wrote: =09 How would one begin the process of getting one? Or does it have to = be government sponsored? =09 -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L =09 =09 It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get = this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it = behooves you to keep it current. =09 They used to estimate these clearences were worth an additional $10K a year for salary. Im thinking at least $25K now. Alot of my friends that have these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers, Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many places around the world due to the fact these clearances are very hard to get. =09 Also, the companies will not foot the bill for this delay. The government usually has to approve all hires where the individual is not cleared. From what I have seen the government is in no mood to do this as of late. =09 FWIW ! =09 Mike =09 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L =09 =09 =09 I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that = require=20 a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance. How can all these = positions=20 be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for=20 people getting the clearances?!? =09 Johnson, Michael wrote: =09 =20 That is not my understanding. =09 FWIW. Mike =09 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L =09 =09 Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to = doing=20 so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud=20 Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field = Investigation even though 99.9999 times out of 100 these = investigations=20 are done for just such access. =09 Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center ian@SLAC.Sranford.edu =09 =09 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L =09 =09 I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force=20 base. =09 OraStaff wrote: =20 =09 =20 Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance (Please do not send your resume unless you have the = required =20 =09 =20 =09 =20 --=20 Jesse W. Asher =09 "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little = temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." - Benjamin Franklin =09 ************************************************************ This message originated from the internet. Its originator may not be = who they claim to be and the information contained herein my or may not be = Accurate. =09 All Messages are Scaned to be Virus Free, by IPM, powered by McAfee. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C21E0D.92697D48 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
But=20 can they be pursued by a civilian, or do they have to be gov't = sponsored? =20
-----Original Message-----
From: = KENNETH JANUSZ=20 [mailto:kjanusz@att.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:55 = PM
To: Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L
Subject: Re:=20 Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, = Ohio..

If your background is clean these clearances = should be no=20 big deal.  When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, = Crypto=20 and COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above=20 TS.
 
Ken Janusz, CPIM
Former U.S.N. Submariner
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Khedr,=20 Waleed
To: Multiple=20 recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 = 2:30=20 PM
Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with = TS SCI=20 Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

Another=20 certification!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse W. Asher = [mailto:jasher1@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, June = 27, 2002=20 3:15 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list=20 ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance = Needed in=20 Dayton, Ohio..


Very good question! =  I've=20 wondered the same thing myself!

Michael Cupp wrote:
How =
would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be =
government sponsored?

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get =
this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it =
behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.    Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require =

a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions=20
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for=20
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

  
That is not my =
understanding.

FWIW.  Mike

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing=20
so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud=20
Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field=20
Investigation even though 99.9999 times out of 100 these investigations=20
are done for just such access.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
ian@SLAC.Sranford.edu


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force=20
base.

OraStaff wrote:
=20

    
Position: Oracle DBA =
with Top Secret SCI Clearance
         (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
  =20

      

  

--=20
Jesse W. Asher

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin


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