Return-Path: Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by naude.co.za (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g4O0bhL23871 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 20:37:43 -0400 Received: from fatcity.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id JAA09887; Thu, 23 May 2002 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b71/bab) via UUCP id 0046989D; Thu, 23 May 2002 09:13:40 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:13:40 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Sender: "Baker, Barbara" Sender: root@fatcity.com Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com Errors-To: ML-ERRORS@fatcity.com From: "Baker, Barbara" Subject: RE: Oracle and OpenVMS (was: Rename Column in 9iR2) Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California X-ListServer: v1.0g, build 71; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by naude.co.za id g4O0bhL23871 Ron: There's a list at iouga-vms-l The traffic is very-very-very-very light. However, when I've needed help, the responses have been exceptional. Good luck! Barb > ---------- > From: Ron Rogers[SMTP:RROGERS@galottery.org] > Reply To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:33 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: Oracle and OpenVMS (was: Rename Column in 9iR2) > > Rich, > I thank you for the heads up. I have read the install and release > notes for Oracle on OpenVMS and will approach with a lot of caution. I > am very familiar with the Unix world commands and expected actions but, > the OpenVMS commands I have to learn and try to understand before I > attempt the install. We have 2 boxes and 1 disk farm to use. One box > will be the development server and the other server will be production. > I have the advantage of learning with the development install first to > correct any errors in my install. > Do you have any suggested links or doc's that would be of help or > guidance? > Thanks, > Ron > ROR mª¿ªm > > >>> Rich.Jesse@qtiworld.com 05/23/02 11:33AM >>> > As a side note, please please please become familiar with OpenVMS and > more > importantly Oracle on OpenVMS before tackling this. At least as far up > as > 8i, Oracle has really done themselves a disservice by bastardizing > their own > install on OpenVMS. There is no OFA on OpenVMS. It is VERY difficult > to > create and maintain a database without using Oracle's horrid scripts. > Oracle refuses to recognize VMS logicals in the DB (although you can > fool > it). And do NOT use OpenVMS if you need MTS because it simply does > not > work, even in 9i (see the Midrange forum on MetaClink). > > I'm saying this and I'm a huge fan of VMS. I've been working with it > since > v4.7 and haven't seen an OS that compares. HOWEVER, for some unknown > reason, companies that produce software on multiple platforms tend to > screw > up their VMS installs. I have no idea why. I've been working in Unix > for > four or five years now and just don't understand why people in the > Unix/Winders world make OpenVMS so difficult! It's EASY! > > > > VMS (whoops..."OpenVMS") gets a bad rap because of poor marketing, and > a > poor understanding of how VMS works by the people that develop on it > and/or > manage the systems. Hell, my OpenVMS box here that's running 4 Oracle > 8.0.5 > instances has had 5 minutes of down time in the past 716 days. And > that > downtime was due to a network failure. Five "9"s, baby, and then > some! > > Woah...once again, DBA need beer. > > Enjoy! :) > > Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator > Rich.Jesse@qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, > WI USA > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron Rogers [mailto:RROGERS@galottery.org] > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:04 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re: Rename Column in 9iR2 > > > > > > Hemant, > > The price I am referring to is the cost involved with moving from > a > > Dell server on Novell to a Compaq OpenVMS server. There are a lot > of > > company sided issues that have to be addressed and cases made for > the > > move. In this case the software is not an issues as you stated, the > > issues revolve around the hardware and developmental considerations. > I > > would be more that happy to move to the latest and greatest "solid" > > platform/database combination. It would allow us to create > > and implement > > browser based applications rather easily and would allow us to use > the > > 9iAS Suite of products. > > For now all I can do is make requests for item to be included in > the > > budget as we move "forward, backwards, sideways, dance on circles". > > Ron > > ROR mª¿ªm > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Jesse, Rich > INET: Rich.Jesse@qtiworld.com > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Ron Rogers > INET: RROGERS@galottery.org > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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