From mark@cool-tools.co.uk Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:32:32 -0800 From: "Mark Leith" Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:32:32 -0800 Subject: RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Title: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL) There is a good faq website listed at the base of each email sent to this list. Add to that *every* Oracle manual (authored by Oracle) is hosted in both pdf and (some) html format on the Oracle Technet site (http://otn.oracle.com/docs/content.html). Almost everybody with email access has internet access..   Just my 0.02 sickles   Mark    -----Original Message-----From: root@fatcity.com [mailto:root@fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Sunrise DBASent: 29 January 2002 16:35To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL) Often, it isn't all that easy to find what you need in "the manual". I have a enough Oracle books to make the springs in my car sag, and sometimes, the answer just isn't there.  Mostly yes, but sometimes no.  Usually, I have to go through 3 or 4 books before I find an answer I can use. So, if the poor listee only has one or two books, perhaps he doesn't have one that has the answer.  Maybe you senior, high income guys can send him your spare books :-)  Or better yet, put a faq together with a book list.   Ken Hitchcox  
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From: JoJo Al-Zawawi To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:40 AM Subject: RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL) No offense to anybody, but I think this is rather arrogant.  The list is for anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced dba's). I am brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it this week.  I can easily foresee having what some might consider stupid or RTFM questions, and being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems deciphering the manual.  I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba code samples page is the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search engines) and I help all kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a member, as do all the other members of the list.  Everybody on that list is extremely gracious and nobody complains -- and the people with questions get the help they need, with nobody sitting back going "boy are you stupid / lazy".  I am hoping that I can get the same kind of help here, when I am ready for it, that I and others give on other lists.   --JoJo     -----Original Message-----From: root@fatcity.com [mailto:root@fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Craig MundaySent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL) The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, you never learn where the information is within the manuals or other reference documentation and the group also gets cluttered with trivia. I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I personally do not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the "...can't be bothered to look up the manual.." attitude that is most frustrating.  When you ask the format of a command (for example) to the list, you are potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who will all have to spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy people and I personally do not want to use my time in this way.  I'm sure you can see that this is a much more expensive option than asking the person next to you.    Cheers, Craig. -----Original Message----- From: rabbit@emirates.net.ae [mailto:rabbit@emirates.net.ae] Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2002 2:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: PL/SQL Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to help fellow DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your collegues , what is the format of this command, or how can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right lazy): Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So why dont u lighten up dude. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author:   INET: rabbit@emirates.net.ae Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).