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Hi Rachel,
Now we are to the point, is it valuable? I say yes and I have studied for
and
passed the ocp for 7, upgraded to 8 and to 8i and will soon take the 9i upgrade
test. I also hold the Oracle 7 certification that was offered by Chauncey
before
the Oracle came out with the OCP. Others say it is not. It is their dollar,
and
they can spend it as they wish.
Ultimately the market decides value, I don't believe that any sane manager
of DBA's
would hire someone just because they are ocp's. Managers would tend to value
relevant experience, the interview process, and degrees well before looking
at ocp's.
So why do I think it is important? The first person who sees your resume
is usually
in the HR department. They cannot hire you but they can file your resume
in the
circular file. Cute little designations like OCA, OCP, OCM, MCP, MCSE, CNE,
etc
help get you past those people and on to the people who can actually understand
you
when you talke about performing block dumps and interrogating the itl. Those
people
can say yes and will because of my experience and interview presence. They
will
probably not care one bit about the cute little designations, but it is irrevelant
if I don't
get to talk to them.
I have had the discussion at oow, etc with more than a few people (perhaps
even you)
asking if you had two candidates with exactly the same criterias but one
had OCP and
one didn't which would you hire? This is a little like the "If god is all
powerful can he make
a rock so big that he himself cannot pick it up" question. In the case described
above I would
probably go to things like "Which is cheaper?", "Which had experience that
most matched my
project?", " Which had the best personality match for my group?". I don't
think OCP would
make that much of a difference.
John
wisernet100_at_yahoo.com wrote:
John,I have no objection to Oracle trying to make money (heck, I own stock,I WANT and expect them to make money!)The problem is not that they are trying to make money, but that this isbecoming something you HAVE to do/have to get a job working withOracle. And they haven't convinced me of the value of that piece ofpaper. I know way too many certified DBAs who I wouldn't trust to evenquery my databases.Rachel--- orantdba <orantdba_at_netscape.net> wrote:
Hmmm,Imagine that, a publicly traded company that it trying to makemoney, I am shockeddismayed, I don't believe I will be able to sleep tonight. Chris, could you provide me with the list of companies that are not trying to make money?I want to make sure that I don't go to work for them, or learn their products.John :-)Chris.Bowes_at_kosa.com wrote:
I'd say the cost is being raised. Look at the requirements for
each.
You can't just take the OCM exam. No we would first have to get
the
OCA. Whether or not we need the entry level cert we have to have
it.
Then, and only then, can we take the OCP. Then and only then, can
we
take the OCM and that is after we take these REQUIRED classes from Oracle Ed. So someone the caliber of Steve Adams or Jared Still,
has
to spend money in a class that they could probably teach from
memory
before they can get certification and that is after getting 2 other
certs that have no value to them. Call me a cynic, but to me, this
is
nothing but a money grab.From the website:--To become an Oracle Associate, you must pass the exams required-- for the Oracle Associate level of your selected job role.
Typically,
--two exams are required; the first one can be taken via the
Internet,
--while subsequent exams must be taken in a proctored environment.
By
--completing your Oracle Associate, you are half-way toward
achieving the
-- Oracle Certified Professional credential.--To become an Oracle Certified Professional, you must pass all required exams--in your selected job role, including those at the Associate
level.
--To become an Oracle Certified Master, you must first be an Oracle--Certified Professional. Additionally, achieving your OCM
credential
--requires attending two advanced level Oracle University courses
from
--the list shown on this page as well as passing the OCM Practicum
exam.
--Chris-----Original Message-----From: dgoulet_at_vicr.com [ mailto:dgoulet_at_vicr.com ]Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:16 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: The OCP bar is being raisedAnyone care to comment on the following, IMHO it's about time:
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