RE: The OCP bar is being raised

From: Kimberly Smith <ksmith2_at_myfirstlink.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:44:16 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.003ED505.20020110172541@fatcity.com>

Actually it is improved. First off they really have not changed all that much. They added an exam. And its an exam
where
you actually have to do stuff is my understanding. That is a good thing. As for the OCA. Even that is not a new
concept. They always had a certified operator that was one exam. Now its called something different and its two exams. But now you can actually use those exams to go to the next level if you want.

All
they need to do is improve on the quality of the testing to ensure that idiots cannot pass it. However, you also should not
have to be a senior DBA to pass it. A good solid DBA should be able to pass it easily. That is what it should test for.

-----Original Message-----From: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Bowes, ChrisSent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:09 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: The OCP bar is being raised
Wait a minute. I never said it was bad for companies to make money. My past posts on microsoft should have made that clear. If Oracle can get away with it, then hey, more power to them. My point was that they are trying to make this look oh so nice by saying "it's improved! Look at the hoops you have to go to get the OCM, they have to be good". When really all the new levels do is require more cash for the qualified people and allow bookworms to advance to a second level without experience. Fortuneately I believe in the wonders of market forces. If enough people say, "yeah right, I got your OCM right here", it'll die. If not, then when I go for certificatinon, I'll see you in OCA 101... :)

--Chris
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 orantdba [mailto:orantdba_at_netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:36 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: The OCP bar is being raised
 Hmmm,Imagine that, a
 publicly traded company that it trying to make money, I am shockeddismayed, I don't believe I will be able to sleep tonight. Chris, could you provide me with the list of companies that are not trying to make money?I want to make sure that I don't go to work for them, or learn their products.John :-)<A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
 href="mailto:Chris.Bowes_at_kosa.com">Chris.Bowes_at_kosa.com wrote:

      
      I'd say the cost is being raised.  Look at the 
      requirements for each.  You can't just take the OCM exam.  No we 
      would first have to get the OCA.  Whether or not we need the entry 
      level cert we have to have it.  Then, and only then, can we take the 
      OCP.  Then and only then, can we take the OCM and that is after we 
      take these REQUIRED classes from Oracle Ed.  So someone the caliber 
      of Steve Adams or Jared Still, has to spend money in a class that they 
      could probably teach from memory before they can get certification and 
      that is after getting 2 other certs that have no value to them.  Call 
      me a cynic, but to me, this is nothing but a money grab.
      From the website:
      --To become an Oracle Associate, you must pass the exams 
      required-- for the Oracle Associate level of your 
      selected job role. Typically, --two exams are 
      required; the first one can be taken via the Internet, <FONT 
      size=2>--while subsequent exams must be taken in a proctored environment. 
      By --completing your Oracle Associate, you are 
      half-way toward achieving the-- Oracle Certified 
      Professional credential. 
      --To become an Oracle Certified Professional, you must 
      pass all required exams --in your selected job 
      role, including those at the Associate level. 
      --To become an Oracle Certified Master, you must first be 
      an Oracle --Certified Professional. Additionally, 
      achieving your OCM credential --requires attending 
      two advanced level Oracle University courses from <FONT 
      size=2>--the list shown on this page as well as passing the OCM Practicum 
      exam. 
      --Chris
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