From rodney.holman@lodgenet.com Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:02:36 -0700 From: Rodd Holman Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:02:36 -0700 Subject: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Not so. I have never installed using the host. We only have text console terminals attached to our host boxes, so we can't do an X install on the host. Have your SA or data center person copy the cd's to a place on the server and run it exporting your display using ssh or telnet to your local X display (I run Linux, but works with X-Win, and other emulators as mentioned in other posts). As for NT, I administered servers at remote buildings using pcAnywhere or VNC at my last employer. As for physical access to the servers. Do you (as a DBA) absolutely need it? Not want, not feel slighted at not having access, not being inconvenienced, I'm meaning REALLY NEED the access. Considering other options (telnet, ssh, VNC, pcAnywhere, etc.), possibly not. On the other hand does your data center staff want to be called in for every midnight implementation to be ready to handle hardware access should it be necessary? Do they want to be brought in on every pager call you get just in case it requires some sort of physical access? You as DBA having hardware access is more for convenience so you don't need to wait on them to get an emergency restart done ... and they don't have to be called in every time you are. Why bring in two when one will do? This all goes back to the earlier comment about watching how strongly you protest. It may have negative impacts in later requests for telecommuting opportunities. Rodd Holman Original Message dated 9/26/01, 8:05:17 AM Author: "Koivu," Lisa Re: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance: OK, terminal services? I agree that install is an exception. It's nearly impossible if you aren't sitting in front of the host. -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This doesn't work for NT machines, and it with Unix you cannot install 8.1.6 without X access.   "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:    (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863   --------------=_4D480082C68408A38488 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance

Not so. I have never installed using the host. We only have text console terminals attached to our host boxes, so we can't do an X install on the host. Have your SA or data center person copy the cd's to a place on the server and run it exporting your display using ssh or telnet to your local X display (I run Linux, but works with X-Win, and other emulators as mentioned in other posts). As for NT, I administered servers at remote buildings using pcAnywhere or VNC at my last employer.

As for physical access to the servers. Do you (as a DBA) absolutely need it? Not want, not feel slighted at not having access, not being inconvenienced, I'm meaning REALLY NEED the access. Considering other options (telnet, ssh, VNC, pcAnywhere, etc.), possibly not. On the other hand does your data center staff want to be called in for every midnight implementation to be ready to handle hardware access should it be necessary? Do they want to be brought in on every pager call you get just in case it requires some sort of physical access? You as DBA having hardware access is more for convenience so you don't need to wait on them to get an emergency restart done ... and they don't have to be called in every time you are. Why bring in two when one will do?

This all goes back to the earlier comment about watching how strongly you protest. It may have negative impacts in later requests for telecommuting opportunities.

Rodd Holman

Original Message dated 9/26/01, 8:05:17 AM

Author: "Koivu," Lisa <lisa.koivu@efairfield.com>

Re: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance:



OK, terminal services?

I agree that install is an exception.  It's nearly impossible if you aren't sitting in front of the host.

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   Christopher Spence [SMTP:cspence@FuelSpot.com]
    Sent:   Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:45 AM
    To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject:        RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance

    This doesn't work for NT machines, and it with Unix you cannot install 8.1.6 without X access.
     
    "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

    Christopher R. Spence
    Oracle DBA
    Phone: (978) 322-5744
    Fax:    (707) 885-2275
    Fuelspot
    73 Princeton Street
    North, Chelmsford 01863
     

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