OT: Oops

!! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !!My apologies if any further OT topics come through this morning. I replied
to some messages before I got to Jareds plea for an end to these.  

This IS the last one.  

K.  

"hit any user to continue"

Kevin Thomas
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: 13 September 2001 08:34
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Unfortunately this does happen in London and it happens in Northern Ireland. I've lost Uncles and friends who have been posted in NI to fight the "war" with the terrorists in Ireland. It's a war Britain will never win. My dad was sent there twice when I was younger, he watched his buddies shot before his eyes, he's had petrol bombs hurled at him and this has been going on for years. Why doesn't Britain bomb Ireland??? (Rhetorical question!)... Terrorists exist, some are ignored in the hope that they go away, others continue to fight after 10,20,30 years.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: 12 September 2001 15:00
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Greg, you have a point. I don't fully agree with killing to retaliate.

However, if the US doesn't do anything about this, there's no guarantee this won't happen again. I went home yesterday because I was scared out of my pants, and I'm in Florida. No one anywhere, US or otherwise, is safe if this kind of terrorism can't be prevented. I'm afraid to get on a plane to attend my brother's wedding in a couple of months.

Unfortunately I don't think we have a choice. We can't do NOTHING or issue a 'strong statement'. (Especially with the public speaking skills of our president - ugh.)

Would you have such a forgiving attitude if this would have happened in London, and you lost your family?

Lisa Koivu
Oracle Database Administrator
Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
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        -----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

        My deepest sympathies to anyone who has a personal connection to the events
that have occurred.

        It's sad that people are celebrating. Perhaps some of them have their own
sorrows and horrors, perhaps some are young and stupid, and perhaps some are

just sick or evil or both. But I think we've seen right here on Oracle-L that inappropriate responses are not confined to the Middle East.

        But saddest of all, IMHO, is the mindview expressed so well by the following
comment.

        "We need to be cool, calm, convinced and know what we want to hit - and
utterly destroy it. Completely." Well, that's probably a very succinct way of expressing the core beliefs of each of the murderers involved in creating

this ghastly mess. To anyone who calls for an air strike anywhere as a result of this, I hope that lots and lots of people stand up and reply, "THIS WAS AN AIR STRIKE, YOU IDIOT. This is EXACTLY what you're suggesting should be repeated in someone else's country. Innocent people suffering, lots of them. Many of whom will probably sincerely regret the events of 11th September 2001 and feel no sympathies for those responsible, regardless

of what their government may be saying at the time."

        Perhaps you could be cool, calm, convinced and know what you want your
country to ACHIEVE ... and presumably the primary goal is that this tragedy is never repeated, anywhere in the world. I suggest that airport security looks like a good place to start, possibly also the lock on the door from the cabin to the cockpit.

        Please leave the terror to the terrorists.

        Again, to those suffering our thoughts are with you.

        Greg Solomon
London UK

        -----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 10:35 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

        Hi Listers

         Just wanted to express it.

         Sad about the bombings..

         Sadder about people rushing to defend it.  Sadder about people rushing to own it!

         Hope you are all safe.           

Regards

        Just another Human           

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