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Scott, I am surprised by your statement that I am a misinformed individual, particularly given your implied claim that the Pentagon is not a military target.
Lisa, with respect I would suggest that domestic air security would do more than military action to prevent this problem reoccurring and that the chances of your plane being hijacked are so low as to be laughable.
To the other two, please can you explain how carpet bombing a country is NOT a cowardly massacre of civilians ?
Target practice is an unfortunate phrase Ken, you are talking about killing people. Please don't use euphemisms for this, it's obscene. If you can't understand why I'm saying this, try using your language to describe recent events in the US.
I'm not apologising for anything, nor am I advocating forgiveness for the murderers involved. I think they should be brought to justice and I agree that any country sheltering these criminals is effectively declaring war on the US, and that the US has a right to use SUFFICIENT force to get the government of said country to change their minds. Innocent people (i.e. who disagree strongly with the policy of their government) will be hurt, maimed, and killed in the process and I hope that you regret that as much as I (and they) regret the events on the 11th September 2001.
Regards
Greg
Target practice for one of our Trident missile boats would be OK by me.
I'm a former submariner.
Ken
WE SHOULD CARPET BOMB ANYONE AND GOVT WHO SUPPORTS THIS COWARDLY MASSACRE ON CIVILIANS!
GIVE ME THE BASTARD's AND I'LL DO IT MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Greg, you have a point. I don't fully agree with killing to retaliate.
However, if the US doesn't do anything about this, there's no guarantee this won't happen again. I went home yesterday because I was scared out of my pants, and I'm in Florida. No one anywhere, US or otherwise, is safe if this kind of terrorism can't be prevented. I'm afraid to get on a plane to attend my brother's wedding in a couple of months.
Unfortunately I don't think we have a choice. We can't do NOTHING or issue a 'strong statement'. (Especially with the public speaking skills of our president - ugh.)
Would you have such a forgiving attitude if this would have happened in London, and you lost your family?
Lisa Koivu
Oracle Database Administrator
Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
954-935-4117
Greg,
You are a sadly misinformed individual. Please, before spouting apologist garbage like this in a public forum, learn something about what you are discussing. Talk to some of your SAS guys, and pay attention to what they have to say. They know more about the psychology of terror than you could hope to comprehend.
The only way to prevent this from occuring again is to ensure that the capability and WILL to do it no longer exists. Terrorists have left no room for negotiation. They do not attack militarily viable targets. They target civilians - children, crippled, men, women, etc. All non-combatants. Terrorists are the lowest form of coward this earth has ever seen. They will not stop until they are forced to. The world is a big school yard. You will be pushed until you push back. Get used to it.
These terrorists have made themselves into a military target through their actions. Anyone aiding or sheltering these terrorists (whoever they may be) is no longer a non-combatant. I hope the US government responds with wisdom, accuracy, and ruthless efficiency.
Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
Greg Solomon wrote:
>
> My deepest sympathies to anyone who has a personal connection to the
events
> that have occurred.
>
> It's sad that people are celebrating. Perhaps some of them have their own
> sorrows and horrors, perhaps some are young and stupid, and perhaps some
are
> just sick or evil or both. But I think we've seen right here on Oracle-L
> that inappropriate responses are not confined to the Middle East.
>
> But saddest of all, IMHO, is the mindview expressed so well by the
following
> comment.
>
> "We need to be cool, calm, convinced and know what we want to hit - and
> utterly destroy it. Completely." Well, that's probably a very succinct
way
> of expressing the core beliefs of each of the murderers involved in
creating
> this ghastly mess. To anyone who calls for an air strike anywhere as a
> result of this, I hope that lots and lots of people stand up and reply,
> "THIS WAS AN AIR STRIKE, YOU IDIOT. This is EXACTLY what you're
suggesting
> should be repeated in someone else's country. Innocent people suffering,
> lots of them. Many of whom will probably sincerely regret the events of
> 11th September 2001 and feel no sympathies for those responsible,
regardless
> of what their government may be saying at the time."
>
> Perhaps you could be cool, calm, convinced and know what you want your
> country to ACHIEVE ... and presumably the primary goal is that this
tragedy
> is never repeated, anywhere in the world. I suggest that airport security
> looks like a good place to start, possibly also the lock on the door from
> the cabin to the cockpit.
>
> Please leave the terror to the terrorists.
>
> Again, to those suffering our thoughts are with you.
>
> Greg Solomon
> London UK
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