my 2 cents. i think it was re-iterated that payment
was not necessary so i don't think folks should feel
guilty if they can't pay. we're throwing out figures
like $10, $20, $50 etc. for us in the US, this is
barely the cost of lunch or dinner, so no big deal.
but some other folks in other parts of the world,
$10-$20 bucks is a big chunk of money that they can
ill-afforded.
all i'm saying is that folks should not feel compelled
to pay or feel guilty. just re-read the original
post. hopefully, most if not all the funds can be
covered by US/Europe based DBAs' (and i hope this
does'nt offend anyone).
and everyone, whether they contribute or not, should
feel more than welcome to use the list - no guilt
trips please.
mkb
- Jan Pruner <jan_at_pruner.cz> wrote:
> There is no problem with subscription of today's
> user.
> I will pay too because I find this list excelent.
>
> But what about new users? If I find a new list
> server with subscription,
> I will never pay to try if is it valuable or not.
>
> I think that free subscription is better way 'cause
> mail list is still free
> (and open for new users)
> and Bruce have no troubles with restriction (user's
> rights) etc.
>
> Of course, we will pay and the others (nonpaying
> users) have the List free,
> I don't like it but ....
>
> Jan Pruner
>
> Dne st 29. srpen 2001 19:22 jste napsal(a):
> > I think a subscription is a decent suggestion. I
> know Bruce wants to keep
> > it free but it still sounds the most feasible to
> me. After all the
> > "electronic friends" I have made on the list, and
> of course its primary aim
> > as a second-to-none technical resource/forum, I
> would hate to see it go.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: 29 August 2001 11:36
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: 28 August 2001 23:29
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, now that I have your attention, please read
> the following message from
> > Bruce Bergman,
> > owner of fatcity.com. It concerns the future of
> this list.
> >
> > Please read the entire message before replying.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Jared Still ( List Owner )
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > Hello ORACLE-L list members --
> >
> > I would like to take a few minutes of your time
> for a "State of the Union"
> > address, if you can call it that. This is a
> rather serious message, and I
> > request that you take the time to read this
> message entirely. I've got a
> > problem that needs resolution this week, and I'm
> hoping you folks can help
> > me come to a conclusion. This message turned out
> to be fairly
> > long-winded, so please excuse me for that. :-)
> >
> > Fat City (fatcity.com) is my company, and I am the
> provider of the list
> > services that you receive ORACLE-L through. I've
> been hosting Internet
> > mailing lists for over 10 years, and carry quite a
> few lists, including a
> > big selection of Oracle-related lists (14, in
> fact). Fat City has always
> > been a labor of love for me. Over the years it
> has rarely generated any
> > income at all, and it usually does not cover my
> expenses -- most of the
> > time
> > it is a monthly loss for me. The vast majority of
> my 60+ mailing lists
> > have
> > been hosted for free, at my expense (as is the
> ORACLE-L list, for example).
> > Yet I have absorbed these costs because I enjoy
> hosting discussion lists
> > and I know a lot of lists can't afford to pay for
> quality service.
> >
> > I am soon to be one of the Rhythms Orphans.
> Rhythms, my DSL provider, has
> > gone bankrupt and will be out of business by
> 10-Sep-2001. I need to find
> > another provider of high-speed Internet in order
> to continue operations. I
> > am at the point of either folding shop completely
> and going out of business
> > myself, or trying to make Fat City a viable,
> money-making endeavor. I need
> > to make this decision by this Friday (for
> financial and planning reasons).
> > After Friday, I am committed one way or the other.
> >
> > My upstream ISP and I are on very good terms, and
> in fact, I've been a
> > customer of theirs since 1985! As a result, they
> have graciously offered
> > to help me out of this situation at considerable
> expense to themselves.
> > I'm not at liberty to discuss the terms of the
> contract I would engage in
> > with them, but suffice to say that is one of those
> once-in-a-lifetime
> > opportunities that I'd be a fool to pass up. I
> have this offer personally
> > from the President of that company, if I want it.
> Simply said, my ability
> > to take them up on their offer and switch Fat City
> over to a dedicated T1
> > or
> > better solution revolves around being able to
> generate quite a bit of
> > additional
> > income per month, and very soon. In an effort to
> be open and up-front with
> > you folks about this, I basically need to generate
> an additional $500 more
> > per
> > month. Right now that seems daunting, but I've
> been working hard to line up
> > that
> > additional income, and I believe I can do it.
> Just not right away. My
> > estimates are that it will take me four or five
> months to come up to that
> > level. I need to get out there and sell website
> hosting and list hosting
> > packages, and get new customers. That takes time,
> unfortunately. I need a
> > buffer to enable me to get past this startup
> phase.
> >
> > After some discussions with Jared (the list
> owner), and some encouragement
> > from him, I am coming to you to ask for you help
> in keeping Fat City
> > financially afloat until I can be self sufficient.
> I'm not asking for a
> > specific dollar amount from anyone, nor am I
> *expecting* anything from you
> > folks. But if it is within your power to
> contribute some money towards
> > this
> > end (and yes, I know these are hard financial
> times for everyone), I am
> > hoping you can help. If I can get sufficient
> promise of funds that will
> > see
> > me through the next few months, I am willing to
> jump in with both feet and
> > make Fat City a viable business. If it looks like
> the contributions are
> > not
> > sufficient to enable me to do that, I will cease
> operations within the next
> > 45-60 days.
> >
> > Let me be clear about a few things: If I *do*
> cease operations, I will give
> > all of my lists time to find new list providers,
> and will make every effort
> > to aid the shift over to the new provider, provide
> list dumps, archives,
> > mail forwarding, etc. Even though Rhythms goes
> out of business on
> > 10-Sep-2001, I have secured service until at least
> 10-Oct-2001 to enable
> > this to happen. So don't worry about having to
> rush into your conversion
> > if
> > things don't work out. I would also like to
> clearly state that this is not
> > some attempt to blackmail or coerce anyone into
> coming up with money. This
> > will either succeed or fail based on what you
> folks can comfortably and
> > willingly contribute. If I had the ability to
> cover this startup period
> > myself,
> > I would definitely do so. If Fat City ultimately
> goes under, it wil NOT be
>
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