From c-glenn.travis@wcom.com Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:38:43 -0700 From: Glenn Travis Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:38:43 -0700 Subject: RE: but will it run windows? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Title: RE: but will it run windows? Exactly.  There is bad code (and drivers) everywhere.  Windows OS does not protect itself as well as the unix OS.  NT, 2000 and XP are all better than 98 in this realm, however.  MS is finally getting the point.  But the point is valid.  A bad program should core itself, not crash the OS.  It is up the OS to prevent this.  I have worked on alot unix flavors in the past and all of them behave better than MS in this aspect.   As far as which OS is best... "it depends" - on what you want to accomplish... -----Original Message-----From: root@fatcity.com [mailto:root@fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Adams, Matthew (GEA, 088130)Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:48 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: but will it run windows? I gotta disagree with you on one particular point here. When an application gets a error and OS crashes, it IS the OS fault.  The OS should be written in such a way that when an application error occurs, the OS doesn't have to be rebooted.  I believe it IS the OSes fault. ---- Matt Adams - GE Appliances - matt.adams@appl.ge.com Doing linear scans over an associative array is like   trying to club someone to death with a loaded Uzi.                  - Larry Wall (creator of Perl) > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Spence [mailto:cspence@FuelSpot.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: but will it run windows? > > > No I did not say that.  > > What I am saying, is most people install 100 programs, one of > them acts like > crap and they blame it on the OS. > > Because there is 5 million people programming for Win32 and probably 2 > million of them suck, that is not at all the OS's fault. > > The problem (in my opinion) stems from there is too many > people coding for > the os and too many hardware manufactors putting out code and > hardware.  It > is almost impossible to guarentee compatability, much less > competent code. > > There api is fairly open, it is almost completely published. > Although it is not open source or anything of that nature. > > "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their > shoes, that way > when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." > > Christopher R. Spence > Oracle DBA > Phone: (978) 322-5744 > Fax:    (707) 885-2275 > > Fuelspot > 73 Princeton Street > North, Chelmsford 01863 >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:33 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > So you're saying, unless you run only M$ products it still > sucks.  They need > to tighten up and open up the API's.  Then windows would be great. > > --Scott > > > Christopher Spence wrote: > > > > I am much a unix person over M$, but the simple fact is > Win32 serves > > many purposes.  And it crashing all the time is a fairy > tail that unix > > people like to tell.  Yeah, it isn't as stable as unix, and most of > > the problems are related to software and drivers which have > nothing to > > do with the OS. > > > > Christopher R. Spence > > Oracle DBA > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:27 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Christopher Spence [mailto:cspence@FuelSpot.com] > > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:51 AM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: RE: but will it run windows? > > > > > > I hate windows and all it stands for, but I can't stand > when people > > > say it crashes all the time and completely useless. > > > > OK, I stand corrected. Windows crashes just half of the > time and if it > > wasn't for Windows, I'd have to explain how to actually use > a computer > > to a far too big lot of ignorant people. It is also a marvelous, > > although somewhat overpriced alternative for the Sony's PS2. > > Hopefully, the statement above will mitigate your feelings > toward us, > > the  poor Unix geeks that use unix to provide for our > everyday's bread > > and Dom Perignon. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Scott Shafer >   INET: sknd100@yahoo.com > > Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > and in the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or > the name of > mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may also send the HELP > command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Christopher Spence >   INET: cspence@FuelSpot.com > > Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). >