I like to joke with my friends and always
say that the recent generations should be called the antibiotic
generations.
Before this invention there was only one
law: Natural selection (or election) which the strong survive and the weak
die.
But now everybody survives (genetically
strong, weak, or genetically corrupted).
Also technology has to do with this:
spending most of the time indoors watching TV, video, game stations, junk/fast
food, etc.
Have a nice weekend,
Waleed
<FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----From: JOE TESTA
[mailto:JTESTA_at_longaberger.com]Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:23
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE:
OT - Vaccines
Lisa, we have to go batty, part of being a parent.
Joe
One who is 40 next jan with an 11 and 5 year old, with an 8 month old
tagging along, am i insane??????>>> lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com
08/17/01 02:08PM >>>
YOU GUYS ARE SCARING ME OUT OF HAVING
CHILDREN!
How on earth can a parent make the right
decisions?? All the information flying around on the list is pretty
unnerving. Sure the numbers may be very low but the #1 thing I worry
about (and most other expectant parents) is the baby's health. How do
all you parents do this without going batty....
But thanks for sharing all this info.
-----Original Message----- <FONT
face=Arial size=1>From: <FONT face=Arial
size=1>Mohan, Ross [SMTP:MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com] <FONT
face=Arial size=1>Sent: <FONT face=Arial
size=1>Friday, August 17, 2001 1:48 PM <FONT face=Arial
size=1>To: <FONT face=Arial
size=1>Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <FONT face=Arial
size=1>Subject: <FONT
face=Arial size=1>RE: OT - Vaccines
actually, while the overall rate may well have
dropped, the US has an ABHORRENT record
in this department:
Read this and *weep*
<A
href="
http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/health/ihhac/ihhac-c05d.pdf"
target=_blank>
http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/health/ihhac/ihhac-c05d.pdf
Note, also, that MOST of the reduction in IMR
have NOTHING to do with vaccines...most
of them have to do with congenital <FONT face=Arial
size=2>defects...perinatal complications...etc.
In fact, SIDS may be *directly correlated* to
increased vaccination:
A quote:
- In 1950, before mass vaccination began, the USA
had the third lowest infant
mortality
rate in the world. By 1986, the USA dropped to 17th place. <FONT
face=Arial size=2>By 1995, <FONT face=Arial
size=2> there were 23 countries ahead of
the USA, by now world renowned for <FONT face=Arial
size=2>its <FONT face=Arial
size=2> appalling infant mortality. The
greatest percentage of these deaths is
from Sudden <FONT face=Arial
size=2> Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).
The link between vaccination and SIDS <FONT face=Arial
size=2>is <FONT face=Arial
size=2> indisputable
<A
href="http://hometown.aol.com/drdawndc/cdab.htm"
target=_blank>http://hometown.aol.com/drdawndc/cdab.htm
SIDS is not easy to cure with Infant Tylenol.
Happily, at least one country thinks it has a
solution:
<A
href="http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/hattersley-jg-j_orthomol_med-199"
target=_blank>http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/hattersley-jg-j_orthomol_med-199
3-v8-n4-p229.htm
A quote: "(2) Crib deaths nearly disappeared in
Japan in 1975 when first inoculations
were postponed until the 24th month of life."
-----Original Message----- <FONT
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sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate
has dropped.
>From: "Babette Turner-Underwood"
<babette+oraclelist_at_pythian.com> <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com <FONT face=Arial
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<ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> >Subject:
RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Fri, 17 Aug
2001 05:36:53 -0800 > <FONT
face=Arial size=2>>I wonder if there is a link between all of these
vaccines >that are forced upon our
children and the increase in <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>childhood illnesses, such as asthma and allergies
>and ADHD and ...?? <FONT
face=Arial size=2>> >Something has
changed. With our new improved health <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>care system, I believe on average children are sicker
>than they were 20 or 30 years ago.
> >-
babette > <FONT face=Arial
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size=2>>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:33 PM <FONT
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> <FONT face=Arial
size=2>> >yikes.....the immune
system is fabulously complex....second in complexity <FONT
face=Arial size=2>>only to the brain itself...and it is still very very
much in development >at early
ages...this is why kids -- all kids -- get more colds, etc than
>us older folks...the system is literally
"learning" for the first few years >or
more. > <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>Pounding this system with "new" vaccines...before it is
developed, or fully >able
>to defend itself ( vaccines ARE basically
hobbled diseases, folks ) is <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>really >scary to me.
> <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>Also, remember...you and I may get chicken pox ( i did, and
mumps...) but >we get it by host to
host contact...NOT by *intravenous injection* <FONT
face=Arial size=2>>directly >into
the bloodstream where orders of magnitude more of disease vectors are
>introduced into the body than if they had to
pass through the skin or >mucosal
linings.... > <FONT
face=Arial size=2>>just a thought..... <FONT face=Arial
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> >Give
the kid some baby motrin or baby tylenol prior to the shot.
Works >wonders. I've got two who
just got a round of vaccinations this week. <FONT face=Arial
size=2>> >Scott Shafer
>San Antonio, TX <FONT face=Arial
size=2>> > <FONT
face=Arial size=2>>Kathy Duret wrote: <FONT face=Arial
size=2>> > > > Thanks for the
link. As a new parent of a 4 month old, I am always
>looking for things to read about
newborns. > > <FONT
face=Arial size=2>> > Some Health centers (Long Beach, CA) are now
requiring children to have >TB
>shots before they can be entered into day
care. My pediatrician refuses <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>(thankfully) to do it before 6 months even if they have been
exposed to the >virus because of the
potential side effects. > >
> > It is really hard to see my 4 month
old get three shots (they won't <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>split >them up I asked) at
one time. His little legs are so bruised afterwards. <FONT
face=Arial size=2>>It takes him a week to get back to normal. But
often the benefits outweigh >the
risks. Just be aware of the side effects and watch them like a
hawk. >I <FONT
face=Arial size=2>>get up several times a night for several days after
the shots to check my >babies color,
breathing and temperature. Better neurotic than sorry.
> > <FONT face=Arial
size=2>> > My husband and I both go on vaccination day, so one can
comfort the baby >on the way home
while the other drives. I read somewhere that a doctor
>actually said they don't feel that much
pain. He should have seen my <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>babies >legs and heard him
scream. > > <FONT
face=Arial size=2>> > This is probably one of the worst things about
being a parent. > >
> > kathy <FONT face=Arial
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> > > As having a few chicken
pox scars (luckily in areas that are not seen) I <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>understand this some. >
> > > The vaccine also prevents
Shingles later in life. Shingles normally <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>happens in older people where your immune system is
stressed/suppressed. >It
>is quite painful. Even though I am not
very old, I have experienced >Shingles
and it ain't fun. > >
> > Both Shingles and Chicken Pox are
forms of the Herpes Virus. Cannot <FONT face=Arial
size=2>>remember which simplex, but not symplex 10 I'm sure. And
not the same >symplex as your STD type
Herpes. > > <FONT
face=Arial size=2>> > And if you live in Virginia, it's state law that
children are immunized >against
Chicken Pox. Before age 3 I believe. <FONT face=Arial
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> > > There is a whole new class
of vaccines the drug companies are pushing <FONT face=Arial
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illnesses > > like Chicken
Pox. Merck's Chicken Pox vaccine ad is particularly <FONT
face=Arial size=2>> > heinous, as it promotes the vaccine as
preventing cosmetic blemishes > >
that result from Chicken Pox. >
> > > Another in a long line of
medicines for healthy people with unknown <FONT face=Arial
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> > > If you are interested in
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National Vaccine Information Center >
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