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Joe. I can say without hesitation that, yes. You are insane. But, we like you that way.
Kevin
(just escaped from the insane-asylum.)
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:23 PM
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Lisa, we have to go batty, part of being a parent.
Joe
One who is 40 next jan with an 11 and 5 year old, with an 8 month old
tagging along, am i insane??????
>>> lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com 08/17/01 02:08PM >>>
YOU GUYS ARE SCARING ME OUT OF HAVING CHILDREN! How on earth can a parent make the right decisions?? All the information flying around on the list is pretty unnerving. Sure the numbers may be very low but the #1 thing I worry about (and most other expectant parents) is the baby's health. How do all you parents do this without going batty....
But thanks for sharing all this info.
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:48 PM
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actually, while the overall rate may well have dropped, the US has an ABHORRENT record in this department:
Read this and *weep*
http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/health/ihhac/ihhac-c05d.pdf <http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/health/ihhac/ihhac-c05d.pdf>
Note, also, that MOST of the reduction in IMR have NOTHING to do with vaccines...most of them have to do with congenital defects...perinatal complications...etc.
In fact, SIDS may be *directly correlated* to increased vaccination:
A quote:
http://hometown.aol.com/drdawndc/cdab.htm <http://hometown.aol.com/drdawndc/cdab.htm>
SIDS is not easy to cure with Infant Tylenol.
Happily, at least one country thinks it has a solution:
http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/hattersley-jg-j_orthomol_med-199
<http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/hattersley-jg-j_orthomol_med-19
9>
3-v8-n4-p229.htm
A quote: "(2) Crib deaths nearly disappeared in Japan in 1975 when
first
inoculations were postponed until the 24th month of life."
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:16 PM
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sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate has dropped.
>From: "Babette Turner-Underwood" <babette+oraclelist_at_pythian.com>
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>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines
>Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:36:53 -0800
>
>I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines
>that are forced upon our children and the increase in
>childhood illnesses, such as asthma and allergies
>and ADHD and ...??
>
>Something has changed. With our new improved health
>care system, I believe on average children are sicker
>than they were 20 or 30 years ago.
>
>- babette
>
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>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:33 PM
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>
>
>yikes.....the immune system is fabulously complex....second in complexity
>only to the brain itself...and it is still very very much in development
>at early ages...this is why kids -- all kids -- get more colds, etc than
>us older folks...the system is literally "learning" for the first few years
>or more.
>
>Pounding this system with "new" vaccines...before it is developed, or fully
>able
>to defend itself ( vaccines ARE basically hobbled diseases, folks ) is
>really
>scary to me.
>
>Also, remember...you and I may get chicken pox ( i did, and mumps...) but
>we get it by host to host contact...NOT by *intravenous injection*
>directly
>into the bloodstream where orders of magnitude more of disease vectors are
>introduced into the body than if they had to pass through the skin or
>mucosal linings....
>
>just a thought.....
>
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>
>Give the kid some baby motrin or baby tylenol prior to the shot. Works
>wonders. I've got two who just got a round of vaccinations this week.
>
>Scott Shafer
>San Antonio, TX
>
>
>Kathy Duret wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the link. As a new parent of a 4 month old, I am always
>looking for things to read about newborns.
> >
> > Some Health centers (Long Beach, CA) are now requiring children to have
>TB
>shots before they can be entered into day care. My pediatrician refuses
>(thankfully) to do it before 6 months even if they have been exposed to the
>virus because of the potential side effects.
> >
> > It is really hard to see my 4 month old get three shots (they won't
>split
>them up I asked) at one time. His little legs are so bruised afterwards.
>It takes him a week to get back to normal. But often the benefits outweigh
>the risks. Just be aware of the side effects and watch them like a hawk.
>I
>get up several times a night for several days after the shots to check my
>babies color, breathing and temperature. Better neurotic than sorry.
> >
> > My husband and I both go on vaccination day, so one can comfort the baby
>on the way home while the other drives. I read somewhere that a doctor
>actually said they don't feel that much pain. He should have seen my
>babies
>legs and heard him scream.
> >
> > This is probably one of the worst things about being a parent.
> >
> > kathy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:33 PM
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> >
> > As having a few chicken pox scars (luckily in areas that are not seen) I
>understand this some.
> >
> > The vaccine also prevents Shingles later in life. Shingles normally
>happens in older people where your immune system is stressed/suppressed.
>It
>is quite painful. Even though I am not very old, I have experienced
>Shingles and it ain't fun.
> >
> > Both Shingles and Chicken Pox are forms of the Herpes Virus. Cannot
>remember which simplex, but not symplex 10 I'm sure. And not the same
>symplex as your STD type Herpes.
> >
> > And if you live in Virginia, it's state law that children are immunized
>against Chicken Pox. Before age 3 I believe.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:14 PM
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> >
> > There is a whole new class of vaccines the drug companies are pushing
> > that are supposed to prevent generally non-life-threatening illnesses
> > like Chicken Pox. Merck's Chicken Pox vaccine ad is particularly
> > heinous, as it promotes the vaccine as preventing cosmetic blemishes
> > that result from Chicken Pox.
> >
> > Another in a long line of medicines for healthy people with unknown
>long-term effects.
> >
> > If you are interested in Vaccine safety and dangers, there is an
> > organization devoted to the subject:
> >
> > National Vaccine Information Center
> > http://www.909shot.com <http://www.909shot.com>
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