RE: OT - Vaccines

From: JOE TESTA <JTESTA_at_longaberger.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:03:39 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.0036F64E.20010817102307@fatcity.com>

Lisa, we have to go batty, part of being a parent.
Joe
One who is 40 next jan with an 11 and 5 year old, with an 8 month old tagging along, am i insane??????>>> lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com 08/17/01 02:08PM >>>
YOU GUYS ARE SCARING ME OUT OF HAVING
CHILDREN!
How on earth can a parent make the
right decisions?? All the information flying around on the list is pretty unnerving. Sure the numbers may be very low but the #1 thing I worry about (and most other expectant parents) is the baby's health. How do all you parents do this without going batty....
But thanks for sharing all this
info.
 -----Original Message----- From: Mohan,
 Ross [SMTP:MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com] Sent: Friday, August 17,
 2001 1:48 PM To: Multiple
 recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines
 actually, while the overall rate may well have dropped, the US has an ABHORRENT record in this department:
 Read this and *weep*
 <A target=_blank
 href="http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/health/ihhac/ihhac-c05d.pdf">http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/health/ihhac/ihhac-c05d.pdf

Note, also, that MOST of the reduction in IMR have NOTHING to do with vaccines...most of them have to do with congenital defects...perinatal complications...etc. In fact, SIDS may be *directly correlated* to increased vaccination:
A quote:

In 1950, before mass vaccination began, the USA had the third lowest infant mortality rate in the world. By 1986, the USA dropped to 17th place. By 1995, there were 23 countries ahead of the USA, by now world renowned for its appalling infant mortality. The greatest percentage of these deaths is from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). The link between vaccination and SIDS is indisputable <A target=_blank href="http://hometown.aol.com/drdawndc/cdab.htm">http://hometown.aol.com/drdawndc/cdab.htm

SIDS is not easy to cure with Infant Tylenol.

Happily, at least one country thinks it has a solution:
 <A target=_blank
 href="http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/hattersley-jg-j_orthomol_med-199">http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/hattersley-jg-j_orthomol_med-199 3-v8-n4-p229.htm
 A quote: "(2) Crib deaths nearly disappeared in Japan in 1975 when first inoculations were postponed until the 24th month of life." -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate has dropped.
>From: "Babette Turner-Underwood"

 <babette+oraclelist_at_pythian.com> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> >Subject:
 RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Fri, 17 Aug
 2001 05:36:53 -0800 > >I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines >that are forced upon our
 children and the increase in >childhood illnesses, such as asthma and allergies >and ADHD and ...?? >
>Something has changed. With our new improved
 health >care system, I believe on
 average children are sicker >than they were 20 or 30 years ago. >
>- babette > >-----Original
 Message----- >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:33 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >yikes.....the
 immune system is fabulously complex....second in complexity >only to the brain itself...and it is still very very much in development >at early
 ages...this is why kids -- all kids -- get more colds, etc than
>us older folks...the system is literally
 "learning" for the first few years >or more. > >Pounding this system with "new" vaccines...before it is developed, or fully >able >to defend itself ( vaccines ARE basically hobbled diseases, folks ) is >really
>scary to me. > >Also, remember...you and I
 may get chicken pox ( i did, and mumps...) but >we get it by host to host contact...NOT by *intravenous injection* >directly
>into the bloodstream where orders of magnitude
 more of disease vectors are >introduced into the body than if they had to pass through the skin or >mucosal linings.... > >just a thought.....
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>Give the kid some baby motrin or baby tylenol
 prior to the shot. Works >wonders. I've got two who just got a round of vaccinations this week. > >Scott Shafer >San Antonio,
 TX > > >Kathy Duret wrote:
> > >
> Thanks for the link. As a new parent of a 4 month old, I am
 always >looking for things to read about newborns. > > > > Some Health centers (Long Beach, CA) are now requiring children to have >TB
>shots before they can be entered into day
 care. My pediatrician refuses >(thankfully) to do it before 6 months even if they have been exposed to the >virus because of the
 potential side effects. > >
> > It is really hard to see my 4 month old
 get three shots (they won't >split >them up I asked) at
 one time. His little legs are so bruised afterwards. >It takes him a week to get back to normal. But often the benefits outweigh >the
 risks. Just be aware of the side effects and watch them like a hawk. >I >get up several times a night for several days after the shots to check my >babies color,
 breathing and temperature. Better neurotic than sorry. > > > > My
 husband and I both go on vaccination day, so one can comfort the baby
>on the way home while the other drives.
 I read somewhere that a doctor >actually said they don't feel that much pain. He should have seen my
>babies >legs and heard him scream. >
> > > This is probably one of the

 worst things about being a parent. >
> > > kathy <FONT

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 -----Original Message----- > > Sent:
 Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:33 PM >
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > As having a few
 chicken pox scars (luckily in areas that are not seen) I >understand this some. > > > > The vaccine also
 prevents Shingles later in life. Shingles normally >happens in older people where your immune system is stressed/suppressed. >It
>is quite painful. Even though I am not
 very old, I have experienced >Shingles and it ain't fun. > >
> > Both Shingles and Chicken Pox are forms
 of the Herpes Virus. Cannot >remember which simplex, but not symplex 10 I'm sure. And not the same >symplex as your STD type
 Herpes. > > > > And if you live in Virginia, it's state law that children are immunized >against Chicken Pox. Before age 3 I believe. >
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 August 16, 2001 3:14 PM > > To:
 Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >
> > > There is a whole new class

 of vaccines the drug companies are pushing > > that are supposed to prevent generally non-life-threatening illnesses > > like Chicken Pox.
 Merck's Chicken Pox vaccine ad is particularly > > heinous, as it promotes the vaccine as preventing cosmetic blemishes > > that result from
 Chicken Pox. > > > > Another in a long line of medicines for healthy people with unknown >long-term
 effects. > > > > If you are interested in Vaccine safety and dangers, there is an > > organization devoted to the subject: > >
> > National Vaccine Information

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