From cspence@FuelSpot.com Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:54:40 -0700 From: Christopher Spence Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:54:40 -0700 Subject: RE: but will it run windows? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Title: Message I agree, the OS should not crash. But most of the time I have seen that in the 5 years I did NT adminstration it was driver related or patch. I have seen times where linux and solaris have had kernel panics, which is basically the same thing. "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:    (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863   -----Original Message-----From: Adams, Matthew (GEA, 088130) [mailto:MATT.ADAMS@APPL.GE.COM] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:48 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: but will it run windows? I gotta disagree with you on one particular point here. When an application gets a error and OS crashes, it IS the OS fault.  The OS should be written in such a way that when an application error occurs, the OS doesn't have to be rebooted.  I believe it IS the OSes fault. ---- Matt Adams - GE Appliances - matt.adams@appl.ge.com Doing linear scans over an associative array is like   trying to club someone to death with a loaded Uzi.                  - Larry Wall (creator of Perl) > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Spence [mailto:cspence@FuelSpot.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: but will it run windows? > > > No I did not say that.  > > What I am saying, is most people install 100 programs, one of > them acts like > crap and they blame it on the OS. > > Because there is 5 million people programming for Win32 and probably 2 > million of them suck, that is not at all the OS's fault. > > The problem (in my opinion) stems from there is too many > people coding for > the os and too many hardware manufactors putting out code and > hardware.  It > is almost impossible to guarentee compatability, much less > competent code. > > There api is fairly open, it is almost completely published. > Although it is not open source or anything of that nature. > > "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their > shoes, that way > when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." > > Christopher R. Spence > Oracle DBA > Phone: (978) 322-5744 > Fax:    (707) 885-2275 > > Fuelspot > 73 Princeton Street > North, Chelmsford 01863 >  > > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:33 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > So you're saying, unless you run only M$ products it still > sucks.  They need > to tighten up and open up the API's.  Then windows would be great. > > --Scott > > > Christopher Spence wrote: > > > > I am much a unix person over M$, but the simple fact is > Win32 serves > > many purposes.  And it crashing all the time is a fairy > tail that unix > > people like to tell.  Yeah, it isn't as stable as unix, and most of > > the problems are related to software and drivers which have > nothing to > > do with the OS. > > > > Christopher R. Spence > > Oracle DBA > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:27 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Christopher Spence [mailto:cspence@FuelSpot.com] > > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:51 AM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: RE: but will it run windows? > > > > > > I hate windows and all it stands for, but I can't stand > when people > > > say it crashes all the time and completely useless. > > > > OK, I stand corrected. Windows crashes just half of the > time and if it > > wasn't for Windows, I'd have to explain how to actually use > a computer > > to a far too big lot of ignorant people. It is also a marvelous, > > although somewhat overpriced alternative for the Sony's PS2. > > Hopefully, the statement above will mitigate your feelings > toward us, > > the  poor Unix geeks that use unix to provide for our > everyday's bread > > and Dom Perignon. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Scott Shafer >   INET: sknd100@yahoo.com > > Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > and in the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or > the name of > mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may also send the HELP > command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Christopher Spence >   INET: cspence@FuelSpot.com > > Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). >