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My perception of intelligent people is that they know a lot of trivia, can repeat many theories, and can talk a lot when you ask them regarding something on which they collected many associations.
Intelligent people don't make fortunes all that often, because theories and knowledge do not constitute wisdom. They may provide a context for experiences, however, provided the theories reflect reality. If your theory is wrong, you can go around in circles for a long time without learning anything.
Your professor's frame of reference seems to be about adding more "information" to existing bodies of knowledge, he didn't mention life experiences. Sounds academic, where they publish paper after paper, but people rarely read them. One of my profs said that there are so many papers published now that it has become impossible to keep up. Strange idea, that publishing papers would "add" to understanding, and perhaps lead to wisdom.
My wife is a teacher, she says there are 8 or more types of intelligence that they have to consider now when teaching. I found it interesting that one of these Intelligences is the equivalent of "street smarts" - i.e. how to get things done in the real world, not based on theoretical frameworks. Street smarts is based on real life experiences.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Hammond [SMTP:guy.hammond_at_avt.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:36 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: IQ, etc.
A professor of mine defined things like this:
Data: raw numbers and text
Information: data filtered and summarized to extract the relevant
pieces
Knowledge: new information fitted into existing knowledge in such a
way
as to be meaningful in a wider context
Wisdom: Extrapolating trends in knowledge to synthesize new
knowledge
Interesting that he didn't seem to consider intelligence to be
particularly relevant to his model of learning. I would day that
intelligence is a measure of how fast data can be transformed all
the
way into wisdom. Technology at present is very good at dealing with
data
and information, and is just starting to address knowledge, altho'
it's
far from commercially useful yet.
g
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:52 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I have a simplistic view of things:
Knowledge = ideas linked by associations, purely intellectual in
nature.
You can do the word association game re. these, quite fun.
Understanding = experience involving the whole person, including
movement,
emotions and intellect. So to understand, you must go through the
experience.
P.S. Are Orasoruses herbivores, or carnivores?
: )
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services | Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca <mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Granaman [SMTP:granaman_at_home.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:37 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: computer history stories - Now: IQ, etc.
Apologies for reviving a dead thread, but I was
incommunicado
for a
week and
just now saw this rather interesting thread. One of my pet
rants is
about
the difference between "knowledge" and "understanding". I
am
not
sure of
the clinical definitions of the words used in this
discussion,
but
will
offer this postulation, in IT terms.
"Knowledge" is essentially accumulated data.
"Understanding" is more like the ability to process data.
Of the two, understanding is far more valuable - and far
more
rare.
I once had a physics professor/mentor who "invented" the
mathematical field
of product calculus to support his doctoral research in
physics.
(Note:
"product" calculus - multiplying infinitesimal bits of
stuff,
not
adding. I
may be a geezer, but am not old enough to have studied under
Newton!) The
mathematical community was suitably impressed and told him
that
if
he would
write up all the proofs and do the formal theory, the
Field's
medal
would be
a certainty. (There is no Nobel prize for Mathematics. The
Field's
medal
is the equivalent.) He replied that he was a tool user, not
a
tool
maker -
that the only reason he did it was because appropriate tools
did
not
previously exist. He finished his doctorate in physics,
others
did
the
mathematical background work, and nobody got the Field's
medal
for
product
calculus.
The moral is that he did not have the "knowledge" required,
but
did
have a
very deep understanding of mathematics. To compensate for
this
lack
of
"knowledge", his own and other's, he used his understanding
to
create new
"knowledge".
Another illustration... In the beginning, there is
trigonometry.
One has
to memorize lots of half-angle formulae, double-angle
formulae,
ad
nausem.
Pure knowledge - just plug in values and crank out answers.
Further
down
the line, one learns Euler's equation and how to effectively
use
it.
Usually, that static data - all those formulae - get purged
from
primary
memory. If one needs them, they can be easily derived in a
few
minutes - a
much more powerful technique. There is little sense
cluttering
up
valuable
primary memory with such trivia.
In the field of Oracle database administration, some
knowledge
is
essential.
However, understanding is the seminal distinction between
the
lower
and
higher levels of expertise. After all, how many of the most
challenging
situations you have been in, or toughest projects you have
done,
could have
been well handled on the basis of knowledge alone?
Knowledge
will
only get
you so far. Serious critical reasoning skills are required
to
transcend the
existing knowledge barrier. Consider also in this context
the
large
and
firmly entrenched knowledge base about ratio-based tuning
versus
more
reasoned wait-based tuning.
(setq minor-rant-mode ON)
This is my main complaint about the OCP program. The tests
are
almost
exclusively "knowledge based". The old Chauncey exams had a
much
higher
"understanding" requirement.
(setq minor-rant-mode OFF)
-Don Granaman
[certifiable Orasaurus]
("Real life" doesn't have the correct answers in the back.)
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:39 PM
> IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how
fast
you
learn.
>
> IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how
"Smart"
you
are.
>
> Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you
learn.
>
> "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their
shoes,
that way
> when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have
their
shoes."
>
> Christopher R. Spence OCP MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
> Oracle DBA
> Phone: (978) 322-5744
> Fax: (707) 885-2275
>
> Fuelspot
> 73 Princeton Street
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