RE: (Fwd) Oracle8i Database Administration Boot camp

I don't think anyone doubts the ability to have a competient dba and a decent facility to teach, but that list of things to teach in a 6.5 hour period is impossible, for any IQ.

I may be dumb, but I have an extremely small learning curve for anything, and there is no way I could do something of that sort in that short time. Although you only expect to retain so much, I would bet most people would leave more confused than learned, not to mention the possiblility of just giving up attepting to learn Oracle.

$250/day is not much less than other facilities, so it isn't the cost. Oracle is $480-$600 / day, other facilities are generally $350-$450. Although it is cheap, it isn't so cheap that it is unbelievable. But what is being attempted is my concern.

In my opinion (yes, I always have one), this is like all you can eat pizza for $20 dollars.
Granted you can buy only 3 pizza's for $20. But you are no way going to be able to eat more than 3 pizzas in a single day (unless you look like me of course) not to mention even do 2 or 3.

I am all for more aggressive and out of the box training methods, but I just want to let anyone know that may concider this, this is a huge plate to finish, if you feel up to it, great, it is not a life savings to spend. But it is something that I feel very few or anyone could benefit from.

Look at most "boot camp courses". They teach the 5 courses (ussually 5 weeks) of that trade in 5 days, and that is ussually day and night courses. Which would really be 2 weeks. Your talking about 6.5 hours! It takes 30 minutes just to introduce everyone. Now we are talking 6 hours. Just to install oracle is no less than 30 minutes. I can even amagine the questions, or do we even have time to answer questions.

I know as most people if they have a question about something, it haunts them and they think about it. If your going at a pace where you cannot answer a question, I am sure they are going to be so preoccupied about the question it will interupt with them able to absorb the new information. Soon enough most everyone will have a question when you are craming 80-180 hours into about 5.5-6.5 hours of usable time.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

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Guys,

setting aside the almost certainly justifiable mirth/muse for a moment, all that means is that since they are using the computer lab here at the university, the "training company" doesn't have to pay for lab space and equipment. btw, the training company is also the guy that runs the local Oracle User Group. He is very energetic.

my guess is that the univ. computer science dept is partly supporting this training as a public service of sorts. the current head of the computer science dept is a big Oracle/RDBMS advocate. his undergrad degree was in physical education (UCLA football, then he went on to work for NASA in mainframe statistical modeling during the Apollo days), so maybe the "boot camp" thing had a certain nostalgic aura? I'll call and see if he has any new jokes since I talked to him last.

> From: Christopher Spence <cspence_at_FuelSpot.com>
> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:38:03 -0400
> Subject: RE: (Fwd) Oracle8i Database Administration Boot camp
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>I can only imagine.
>
>Perhaps they have them circled around a tree ;)
>

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>>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:55 AM
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>>PS. "they have no overheads" - what does THAT mean?
>>
>>Tom Mercadante

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