From rsharpe@amherst1.com Wed, 06 Jun 2001 07:14:52 -0700 From: "Sharpe, Richard" Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 07:14:52 -0700 Subject: RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain This surely does sound the Wiz of Oz, Solaris unstable ? Tru64, get real.     -----Original Message----- From: Scott Canaan [mailto:srcdco@ritvax.isc.rit.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64   According to a technical representative at Oracle in Rochester, NY, Oracle no longer develops on Solaris.  He stated that they have changed to HP-UX for development.  He said the reason was instability with Solaris. "Koivu, Lisa" wrote:

  Kevin, sure I will.  I just didn't want to muck up the list. Here's what I found.  If anyone has any comments to add, please do. My question was about the utilities across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing.  vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different.  sar is system V only.  truss you must purchase a license for.  top is freeware.  There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top. The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive.  Some of the positive comments I received: 1.  C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2.  Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases.  Not anymore. 3.  The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. 4.  Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known.  So obscurity works in your favor. 5.  Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. 6.  tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7.  Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. 8.  tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9.  OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10.  Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq!  WOW 11.  For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq.  Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. Caveats/ Other comments: 1.  Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2.  Sun is ex-pen-sive!  Compaq wins in this comparison. 3.  The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4.  There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions.  Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5.  Oracle does develop on Sun hardware.  Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64. 6.  Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun.  They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots.  I saw this at a previous employer. 7.  If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX.  IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither).  IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following people for their responses: Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael Hand Murali Vallath Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen Andert Stefan Moeding And, the one and only clown....  Ross Mohan Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is.

-----Original Message----- From:   Toepke, Kevin M [SMTP:ktoepke@cms.cendant.com] Sent:   Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:        RE: Thanks everyone - tru64 Lisa: How about contributing a summary of the feedback? Kevin -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L   I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix.  I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected! This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of how willing people are to answer questions.  I just hope I contribute enough to make up for how much everyone here has helped me. HELP! Have a great day, all. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator 954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant Corporation or Affiliates are not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Toepke, Kevin M   INET: ktoepke@cms.cendant.com Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Scott Canaan (srcdco@rit.edu) (716) 475-7886 "Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it" - Tom Lehrer   -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: srcdco@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).