Message-Id: <10520.107965@fatcity.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Your frank opinion I'm working between 35 and 40 hours per week. Since I'm more involved in devlopment than in support, I seem to have less free time than others. I will never make it an habit to work over 40 hours/week. I'll put the effort when needed but I'm against working 60 hours/week for 6 months. I loved too much my wife and 2 kids, ice hockey, snowboarding,.... I totally agree with Joe, I'm getting paid for my knowledge that's why I spend time on the web and read books. --- "HAWKINS, JAMES W [FND/1000]" a écrit : > Deepak, > > Agreed, but don't forget to add that we get paid for > the responsibility of > protecting data. The bottom line is that I can sit > idle and watch my > E*Trade account all day until someone drops a > production table, then I > better get it back with no data lost. That's what I > mostly get paid for. > There has to be someone to point the finger at when > the proverbial dung hits > the fan... > > Jim > > ______________________________________ > Jim Hawkins > Oracle Database Administration Team > Monsanto Company > 800 North Lindbergh - G3ED > St. Louis, MO 63167 > 314.694.7592 - Office > 314.308.6614 - Cellular > 314.294.2623 - Pager > james.w.hawkins@monsanto.com > > "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win > glorious triumphs, even > though checkered by failure, than to take rank with > those poor spirits > who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they > live in the gray > twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." > > --Theodore Roosevelt > > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 11:51 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Joe, > > Absolutely true. Knowledge is what we get paid for. > This has been my experience too regd the work I have > been doing, (esp. Physical DBA). > > However, what I don't understand is when people talk > about supporting 10 peoplesoft databases, what > exactly > do they do. My current client has Peoplesoft > financial > and Order management applications which total upto > 12 > databases in all. Apart from that I am also > supporting > non-peoplesoft databases (4). All I do daily is > check > my email for any outstanding user requests, check > the > Alert logs, run DB monitoring scripts against select > few databases etc. Apart from this daily activity, > there are adhoc requests to refresh test from prod, > fix database errors and so on. This has been the > case > with most of the clients I'd been working with. Now, > my question to the (Physical) DBAs is, what extra > stuff they do regularly to come with 40+ Hrs per > week. > > My formula for 40 Hrs: > > 2 Hrs Regular DB support + > 2 Hrs Email & Web Browsing + > 1 Hr Lunch + > 1 Hr Phone + > 2 Hrs Self Study = Daily 8 Hrs > > I know people who genuinely work 40+ Hrs, but most > of > the fellow DBAs I know spend lot of time doing > nothing > concrete. How else could they participate in the > stock > market ? > > -- Deepak > > --- "Joseph S. Testa" wrote: > > Deepak, my latest job, i have to agree with you, > > most weeks its less > > than 40, rarely ts more than 40. > > > > reason that i've come to conclusion is this: > > > > they pay me for what i know, not necessarily what > i > > do, knowledge is > > power(and money these days). > > > > they catch is this: dont get stale, read the new > > documentation when it > > comes out, buy books, read them and stay on top of > > the new stuff. > > > > > > Here is a prime example: > > > > while at IOUG-A in may, i was paged about a > > partitioned table, they > > wanted to move rows between the partitions(ie: > > change the key value), by > > dafault you can't do that, so they were panicked > > enough to potentially, > > unload millions of rows, change the key value > during > > the unload, > > truncate the table, and reload all the data. > > > > I was studying for 8i OCP exam and had just read > > about > > alter table enable row movement; > > > > by default row movment is disabled. > > > > so they pay me for what I know :) > > > > my 2 cents worth. > > > > joe > > Deepak Sharma wrote: > > > > > > How many of the DBAs out there frankly work more > > than > > > 40 Hrs a week on an average ? I have seen DBAs, > > > specifically contrators (I'm one myself) put in > 10 > > or > > > 12 Hrs a day on the paper. In reality, it's the > > 10-12 > > > Hrs they sit at work, either showing everyone > how > > busy > > > they are or creating work out of nowhere so that > > they > > > could stay longer at work (and get the extra > > bucks). > > > We've all had our chances working 24-36 Hrs on > > stretch > > > in crisis situations, but in general, how much > > > significant work does a DBA have. Most of the > time > > I > > > find it difficult to fill even the 40 Hrs in the > > > timesheet. My favorite activity !! Browse this > > list. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > > > http://photos.yahoo.com > > > -- > > > Author: Deepak Sharma > > > INET: sharmakdeep@yahoo.com > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 > > FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > > San Diego, California -- Public Internet > > access / Mailing Lists > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send > an > > E-Mail message > > > to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of > > 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: > UNSUB > > ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be > > removed from). You may > > > also send the HELP command for other information > > (like subscribing). > > > > -- > > Joe Testa http://www.oracle-dba.com > > Oracle 8i documentation online > > http://www.oracle-dba.com/oracle-docs > > -- > > Author: Joseph S. Testa > > INET: teci@oracle-dba.com > > > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 > FAX: > > (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California -- Public Internet > === message truncated === ===== Stephane Paquette