Re: Why is "group by" obligatory in SQL?

From: Bob Badour <>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:10:55 -0300
Message-ID: <4a69f934$0$23760$>

paul c wrote:

> Bob Badour wrote:

>> paul c wrote:
>>> Cimode wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> Great post, Cimode, Djikstra as profound as ever, this stuff bears 
>>> repeating every so often.
>> Dijkstra is da bomb!
>>> Too bad so little remains of the history of db language development 
>>> from the 1970's, I think there are still lessons to be learned from 
>>> the scanty archives.  The motivations of those days must be murky to 
>>> anybody who didn't grow up with assembler languages, in fact I'd say 
>>> they remaiin murky for most of the people who were there. 
>> ...
>>> In the commercial world of that time there was a lot of emphasis on 
>>> so-called 'structured programming techniques', which we know today is 
>>> just a form of language mysticism, at least insofar as it disguises 
>>> the real programmer's interface.
>> Did you intend the irony?
>> ...

> It's omnipresent, apparent in the writings of the authors of pretty much
> all the authors of today's popular web languages, not unlike the irony
> of the two most written about western world leaders of the last ten
> years who obviously depend on their belief in God for justifying one or
> big military invasions, no matter what technical obfuscations their
> underlings offer up. We are all prisoners of language no matter how
> logical we pretend to be and no real progress ever happens without
> several changes of generation (the cryogenic fans conveniently ignore
> this problem, maybe even some of the more wacky stem-cell researchers too).

Your response leaves me wondering whether you know what irony I meant and wondering what irony you mean. Received on Fri Jul 24 2009 - 20:10:55 CEST

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