Re: Guessing?
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <65261e81-0c02-4aaf-9005-a6215c4a1411_at_m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
On Jul 11, 4:36 pm, JOG <j..._at_cs.nott.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 10:16 pm, Marshall <marshall.spi..._at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 8:30 am, JOG <j..._at_cs.nott.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Wittgenstein goes on
> > > from this basis to conclude that meaning and knowledge cannot be
> > > encoded in any formal representation
>
> > I just want to pop in here and say that the above idea is bullshit.
>
> Well feel free to either pop out again, or elucidate. It is unclear
> whether you are saying that Wittgenstein didn't suggest that some
> meaning has no logical form (which he did as a consequence of his
> discourse with Sraffa), or that many have misinterpreted him. Perhaps
> you intended this ambiguity. Perhaps its just a sloppy post - hard to
> tell as is.
I beg your pardon, sir!
I am calling bullshit on the above position, attributed to
Wittgenstein.
I am calling bullshit on the idea that "meaning and knowledge
cannot be encoded in any formal representation."
> Either way, knowledge is generally accepted in AI research as
> unencodable in a descriptive model. I would love to claim to have
> formulated such conclusions myself, but I am merely reiterating
> Clancey, Brookes and Cantwell-Smith famous papers, the well documented
> demise of expert systems, the $35million wasted on projects like CYC,
> etc, etc, etc.
Lately I have developed an allergic reaction to various ideas
asserting
Earlier you mentioned "What Computers Still Can't Do."
Reading for example this:
that brains are somehow magical and mystical, and thought is
something that we not only can't currently explain computationally,
but never will be able to explain computationally. It's just bullshit.
I see no argument that doesn't amuse me with its lameness.
I would type more, but I have a pressing engagement. Perhaps later?
Marshall Received on Sat Jul 12 2008 - 03:27:26 CEST