Re: Examples of SQL anomalies?

From: Brian Selzer <brian_at_selzer-software.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:14:13 -0400
Message-ID: <quobk.21278$co7.14351@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>

>"Bob Badour" <bbadour_at_pei.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>JOG wrote:
>
>> On Jul 3, 9:48 pm, "Brian Selzer" <br..._at_selzer-software.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>"JOG" <j..._at_cs.nott.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>>>>I normally accord to the definitions:
>>>
>>>>information = datum + meaning
>>>>datum = value + description
>>>
>>>>These are useful, succinct and accord nicely with [ISO 2382-1:1984]:
>>>>"Data: A representation of facts, concepts, or instructions in a
>>>>normalized manner suitable for communication, interpretation, or
>>>>processing by humans or by automatic means", while giving something a
>>>>bit more formalized in terms of data theory.
>>>
>>>>In terms of defining value both the output of a function or the
>>>>element of a set seem fine, but then defining a value as being some
>>>>amount or quantity also seems fine.
>>>
>>>I have a different take:
>>>
>>>A value has no value except that which is assigned to it under an
>>>interpretation: a value is not the output of just /any/ function, but
>>>rather
>>>/the/ function that maps language terms to what those terms mean.
>>
>> that's similar to what I said no? value + description?
>>
>>
>>>Information is just one or more values.
>>
>> so you don't incorporate a "meaning" into information? I don't think I
>> could agree with you there.
>>
>>
>>>A datum is simply a formatted value that cannot be broken down into a
>>>collection of component values that means the same thing.
>>>
>>>Data is just formatted information.
>
>JOG, in case you hadn't noticed, Selzer is just making shit up as he goes
>along.

JOG, in case you hadn't noticed, Badour, being incapable of independent thought, is just envious of those of us who aren't. The function that maps terms of a language to objects in the Universe of Discourse has been referenced and described by many. While I haven't before seen "value" defined as just the output of that particular function, it all just falls into place for me, since every value carries with it some sense or meaning and that particular function is integral to the process of attributing meaning to language elements or combinations of language elements. Received on Fri Jul 04 2008 - 07:14:13 CDT

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