# Re: Undefinedness

From: paul c <toledobythesea_at_ooyah.ac>
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:53:24 GMT
Message-ID: <8oZ0j.18676\$cD.6352_at_pd7urf2no>

JOG wrote:
> Word up CDT. How the devil are you all? Well, I return with a question
> that as ever highlights my complete lack of formal mathematical
> training, and in light of knowing no logicians in my daily life (funny
> that), I was hoping that one of you kind folks might be able to
>
> Say I had a set of 3 encoded propositions:
> R := { {(Name, Tom), (Age, 42)}, {(Name, Dick), (Age, 16)}, {(Name,
> Harry)} }
>
> (note that Harry's Age is missing, so instead of adding a null, i've
> intentionally just left the attribute out. Just ride with such oddness
> for now if you would.)
>
> What if I deigned to create a simple 'adults' subset of this set of
> propositions, by creating a predicate that only returned the elements,
> p, which contained an age attribute greater than 18. Could I state
> this as (where E signifies set membership):
>
> Adults := { p E R | EXISTSx ( x > 18 && (Age, x) E p ) }
>
> My question obviously hinges around Harry's missing age attribute. In
> this case would the EXISTSx (...) part of the set's intension simply
> return a FALSE, or will I end up in the quagmire of 3VL with an
> UNDEFINED? My instinct is that I am still in 2VL given there is no
> null floating about, but since the recent, excellent discussions of
> Jan's DEF operator, and having delved into beeson's logic of partial
> terms, I am not at all confident.
>
> Any comments are much appreciated, and regards to all, Jim.

The syntax of formal logic often trips me up, so I won't comment about that. Just want to say that if I had my druthers I'd be happy to express Age as a subset of age value members rather than as a member of a set, then project to determine Adults. But I don't have my druthers since conventional relational algebra *starts* with sets! Received on Wed Nov 21 2007 - 17:53:24 CET

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