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Re: A pk is *both* a physical and a logical object.

From: Brian Selzer <brian_at_selzer-software.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:29:35 GMT
Message-ID: <PW8oi.40160$Um6.32611@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>

"Jan Hidders" <hidders_at_gmail.com> wrote in message news:1184922114.814515.327240_at_g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

> On 19 jul, 19:39, "Brian Selzer" <br..._at_selzer-software.com> wrote:

>> "Jan Hidders" <hidd..._at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1184860573.502673.208300_at_g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 13 jul, 16:54, "Brian Selzer" <br..._at_selzer-software.com> wrote:
>> >> "Jan Hidders" <hidd..._at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1184317017.026070.245210_at_22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On 13 jul, 06:17, "Brian Selzer" <br..._at_selzer-software.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> I was thinking more along the lines of the difference between what
>> >> >> can
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> and what can be true.
>>
>> >> > Very little, I imagine. :-)
>>
>> >> {a, b, c} is different from {{a}, {b}, {c}}, yes? A description of
>> >> the
>> >> universe is a description of what can be. What can be true is a
>> >> description
>> >> of a description of what can be.
>>
>> > I don't see a distinction between "can be" and "can be true", for me
>> > those are synonymous. Perhaps you meant "is" and "can be"? Note that
>> > the UoD is anything you might want to talk about, and therefore
>> > usually describes what "can be" and not just "what is".
>>
>> So, what you're saying is that existence is identical to truth?
>
> For propositions, yes. Remember "Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall
> ist."
>

And also "Die Welt ist die Gesamtheit der Tatsachen, nicht der Dinge."

I'll buy that the truth of a proposition implies the existence of its referents, but I'm not too sure about the reverse, and certainly just because a proposition is false does not mean that none of its referents exist.

> -- Jan Hidders
> Received on Fri Jul 20 2007 - 15:29:35 CDT

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