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Re: What is the logic of storing XML in a Database?

From: David Cressey <cressey73_at_verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:04:18 GMT
Message-ID: <S4UOh.14925$_S.13417@trndny08>

"Cimode" <cimode_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1175179955.104759.220740_at_n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 29, 10:01 am, "David Cressey" <cresse..._at_verizon.net> wrote:
> > "JOG" <j..._at_cs.nott.ac.uk> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1175112245.717262.275350_at_d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > I'm sure there are many people who have been through the same
> > > experience as myself using xml as a transport format:
> >
> > > 1) Observe the popularity of XML and the supporting libraries in the
> > > language you are working in.
> > > 2) Implement a transport layer using XML to parse messages/data etc.
> > > 3) Realise that your server/application is now over ten times slower
> > > than it was before.
> > > 4) Remove XML and replace with something far simpler, far less verbose
> > > and vitally far /quicker to parse/.
> > > 5) Curse XML for wasting your bloody time and never let it darken your
> > > door again.
> >
> > There are really two discussions going on in parallel in this thread.
> >
> > One is about using XML for data transfer outside of a DBMS. I'm saying
> > "DBMS" rather than "Database" intentionally here. A DBMS can move data
> > across a network link, and even pass it to an inter-DBMS gateway.
> >
> > The other, the one actually asked by the OP, is about declaring columns
of
> > type XML in tables.
> >
> > I use CSV for data tranfer between one DBMS and another, when I don't
have
> > a workable gateway between the two DBMSes. It works just fine for me,
and
> > I see no reason to add the complexity of XML.
> >
> > I see no reason to store XML database inside an SQL table. Perhaps if
you
> > wanted to keep an accurate record of the incriminating evidence.
>
> > Also, in your precis above, you implicitly refer to the "thundering
herd"
> > argument. I buy the thundering herd argument as a reason for
conforming, at
> > times. I don't buy it as the path to excellence. Excellent solutions
are
> > almost always beyond the reach of the thundering herd.
> >
> > The trick is to figure out when good enough is good enough, and when
it's
> > not.
> Agreed. But I am afraid that discussing the use of XML or CSV quickly
> becomes a sterile debate. I did it in the purpose to trigger some
> questions about XML.
>

Agreed. The first question you asked in this regard said it all: what would you do with XML that you couldn't do just as easily with CSV? For simple transport layer between two DBMSes, CSV suffices just fine. And, for those who must use a text editor, it's text based!

(A little humor, here).

You've gotten lots of answers to that question, but all of those answers beg the following question: why would you want to do those things outside the context of a DBMS, if you could do them inside the context of a DBMS? Received on Thu Mar 29 2007 - 14:04:18 CDT

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