Re: Navigation question

From: Bob Badour <bbadour_at_pei.sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:12:04 GMT
Message-ID: <UWIEh.1694$PV3.23608_at_ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>


Walt wrote:

> "dawn" <dawnwolthuis_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1172505529.681070.131640_at_q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>

>>On Feb 26, 8:28 am, "Walt" <wami..._at_verizon.net> wrote:
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>>>"dawn" <dawnwolth..._at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>news:1172444333.974143.227280_at_q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Feb 23, 10:10 am, "Walt" <wami..._at_verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"dawn" <dawnwolth..._at_gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>><snip> My questions are regarding
>>>>>
>>>>>>layer 7, where "logical navigation" of a database might take

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> place.
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>>>>>>Does that work for you?  --dawn
>>>
>>>>>what do  you mean by "OSI layers?"  Are you talking about layers of
>>>>>protocols?
>>>
>>>>First, I'll grant that the OSI layers are not in my area of expertise,
>>>>so I might very well have this wrong.  I am talking specifically of
>>>>the 7 layers (of protocols) identified as the "OSI layers."
>>>
>>>Could you list the layers, and give a link to a web page that describes
>>>them?
>>
>>I just did a google and I'm not sure whether you had trouble finding a
>>link or if this is a test to see which link I would choose.  We can
>>start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model

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> I know how to google. I wanted to see what page you were reading from, so
> that we could read from the same page.
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> The page you pointed me to is a good starting place. So you are talking
> about protocols.
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>>If I had been quizzed, I would have gotten the top, the bottom, and a
>>few others by name, but I have never studied nor memorized these
>>layers.  I only referred to them in order to get the focus of the
>>question on the application layer.
>>
>>
>>>>Given
>>>>these 7 layers, I am not then talking about taking any one of these
>>>>layers and further subdividiing it by protocol, but simply referring
>>>>to it so that it is clear (that obviously did not work) that I'm
>>>>talking about the Application Layer.
>>>
>>>>> If so, it seems to me that application to
>>>>>database theory is limited to the areas where data is exchanged in

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> some
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>>>sort
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>>>>>of formal protocol.
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>>>>Surely not.

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> I don't understand the above. "Surely not" what? Do you mean "Surely not
> limited to areas where data is exchanged in some sort of formal protocol"?
> If that's the case, why did you refer to "the OSI Layers"?
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> Database theory is highly relevant to conceptual
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>>>>modeling, outside of this list of 7 layers, as well as to the
>>>>interface between developer and DBMS, for example.  While there are
>>>>surely some here who have an interest in data in some machine-readable
>>>>format that might not be all that useful for human eyes or application
>>>>programmers, I'm interested in Layer 7, the Application Layer.  Again,
>>>>I am not bringing this in so that we can discuss protocols within that
>>>>layer, simply so that it is clear I'm not talking about "physical
>>>>navigation."

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> If you are not talking about protocols, then why are the OSI layers
> relevant to your discussion?
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> I'm terribly confused by what you have written.
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>>strictly DBMS navigation).  BTW, I didn't mention Pascal.  I included
>>JOG as the third.

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> Noted.
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>>>Any navigation a programmer
>>>does entirely within the application is not relevant to the comments

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> Cdd,
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>>>Date, and Pascal have made regarding database data.
>>
>>Really?  I thought they were opposed to "database navigation" in
>>general, whether the application is navigating its way through the
>>data or the DBMS is, or some combination.  Hmmm.  Perhaps one
>>difficulty with the terms is that I consider DBMS specifications
>>related to any application suite to be "part of" that application
>>suite.

Walt, keep in mind -- at the current state of medicine -- ignorance may be chronic while curable but stupidity is terminal. Received on Mon Feb 26 2007 - 23:12:04 CET

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