Re: Objects and Relations
Date: 14 Feb 2007 18:24:07 -0800
Message-ID: <1171506247.164576.141260_at_m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 15, 12:22 am, "JOG" <j..._at_cs.nott.ac.uk> wrote:
> On 14 Feb, 13:12, "Cimode" <cim..._at_hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> > > 2) Hence their x,y,z position attribute always identifies them.
>
> > False.
>
> Location always identifies something. Two things cannot be in the same
> place. It's sort of a law of physics, and I've got to be honest,
> knowing it has tended to help me in daily life. Like if my tv is in
> the corner of the room my car probably isn't there too.
A quibble: saying "Location always identifies something" doesn't seem
quite right. Not all things are physical things. For example
location doesn't identity a company like Coca Cola. Furthermore some
physical things aren't particularly well localised in space. Eg a
railway line.
Also, spatial location won't be adequate in a temporal DB. I presume
you would then say that (x,y,z,t) identifies the thing. Would you be
prepared to introduce a surrogate id that stands for (x,y,z,t), so
that nothing keeps its identity from one moment to the next?
Curiously in QM exchange symmetry of the wave function is required for
identical particles. However for macroscopic particles like above I
would say their identity is "real" even though a suitable identifier
must be invented in the sense of a surrogate id. I agree with the pov
that all identifiers are merely names and whether you call them
natural or surrogate isn't particularly interesting.
I am struggling with your assertion that relations only are about
roles and values, not entities. You have yet to provide an
explanation. I have the impression that you think in terms of
entities but aren't prepared to admit it. Take for example your
words like "something", "item" etc
[snip] Received on Thu Feb 15 2007 - 03:24:07 CET