Re: The wisdom of the object mentors (Was: Searching OO Associations with RDBMS Persistence Models)
From: Bob Badour <bbadour_at_pei.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:56:31 GMT
Message-ID: <ju2gg.16663$A26.384844_at_ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
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> Ugh. O-O will continue to incorporate functional and then relational
> concepts in hideous ways, resulting in a chimera with odious flatulence
> and astonishingly bad breath.
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> Especially boilerplate which takes dozens of lines to emulate the
> behavior of a single line of SQL (forgetting even about the possibility
> of a real relational language here).
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> Maybe some day we'll manage to replace the mountains of Java with
> molehills of real languages (and domain-specific languages implemented
> in real languages). But I won't hold my breath.
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:56:31 GMT
Message-ID: <ju2gg.16663$A26.384844_at_ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
erk wrote:
>>What hope for OO in following any similar path ? >>None, so far as I can see - even with "aspect oriented programming" >>looming into view.
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> Ugh. O-O will continue to incorporate functional and then relational
> concepts in hideous ways, resulting in a chimera with odious flatulence
> and astonishingly bad breath.
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>>I admit, it was embarrassing in the '90s to still admit that the >>majority of the world's code was in COBOL. But did we really have to >>try changing that ratio by generating mountains of boilerplate Java >>junk for even the simplest of applications ?
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> Especially boilerplate which takes dozens of lines to emulate the
> behavior of a single line of SQL (forgetting even about the possibility
> of a real relational language here).
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> Maybe some day we'll manage to replace the mountains of Java with
> molehills of real languages (and domain-specific languages implemented
> in real languages). But I won't hold my breath.
Someone mentioned ruby on rails recently. I read where one project dropped java entirely after doing a sample module using ruby on rails. From what I can gather, though, ruby on rails just does a better job of automating all the bullshit boilerplate code rather than really improving things. Received on Fri Jun 02 2006 - 23:56:31 CEST