Re: Shared game-data
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:42:29 GMT
Message-ID: <p145g.842$A26.24061_at_ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
Alvin Ryder wrote:
> Bob Badour wrote:
>
>>Alvin Ryder wrote: >> >> >>>mAsterdam wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi Alvin, >>>> >>>>Alvin Ryder wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bob Badour wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Alvin Ryder wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Bob Badour wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Alvin Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Neo wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The RM is powerful enough to represent business data, it rocks the >>>>>>>>>business world but it utlimately lacks computational power and >>>>>>>>>conviction to go all the way in every realm. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Horseshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bob, I understand how to use the RM to solve many common business >>>>>>>processing type problems but are you saying it /can/ be used in /every/ >>>>>>>realm? Can you please explain how it is applicable to the games >>>>>>>programming and ai realms. >>>>>> >>>>>>Do games programming or ai realms need to manage data? >>>>> >>>>>Bob, all I'm saying is I'm a fan of Oracle and the such like when it >>>>>comes to business systems but when it comes to games and ai they just >>>>>ain't on the map, a clear zero. If you can convince me otherwise I'll >>>>>be pleased to listen but meantime I don't know what you're trying to >>>>>say. >>>> >>>>ISTM a multi-player game is a good metaphor for business sytems. >>> >>>I see what you mean the metaphor has some appeal but ... >>> >>>In business systems it is desirable to normalize the data, lets just >>>discuss first normal form, all attributes are atomic. >> >>How about we go back to you answering the simple and direct question I >>put to you earlier: Do games programming or ai realms need to manage data? >> >>If you cannot answer that question, you opinion regarding the RM and >>these realms is worthless.
>
> Bob you aren't being fair, first I asked you some questions but you
> didn't answer them, does that make your contribution worthless?
>
> I first asked you to explain how the RM is useful to ai and games?
I asked for elaboration of your questions, and you refused to elaborate. Instead, you did some handwaving about normalization, which is totally irrelevant to the current discussion.
The RM is the best formalism currently available to handle the problem of data management. If games programming and ai do not have any data management needs, then saying the RM does not address them is pointless. If they do manage data, then your statement is simply false.
> Please understand that to get the edge in games programming we'll do
> virtually anything, we'll draw from all and any branches of computer
> science, math, physics, ai, music, art and whatever else But the
> strange thing is no games programmer I've met bats an eye lid over the
> RM, they'd laugh at the thought. If you care to explain its relevance
> and what we're missing I at least will be glad to hear it.
>
> Oh, and to answer your question: Yes, of course we do need to manage
> data. I'm sorry I didn't reply but someone beat me to it they said
> "Yep" (and I was going to say Yes ;-)
If these realms manage data yet do not use the RM, then I respectfully point out that your statement above regarding 'all branches of...' is nothing more than empty vanity. That they would laugh at their own ignorance doesn't speak very highly for the practitioners in these fields. Received on Sun Apr 30 2006 - 16:42:29 CEST