Re: Database design
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:24:19 +0100
Message-ID: <43fc7413_at_news.fhg.de>
Mark Johnson schrieb:
> Alexandr Savinov <spam_at_conceptoriented.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark Johnson schrieb: >>> Alexandr Savinov <spam_at_conceptoriented.com> wrote:
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>>> As I understand it, aren't your 'class operators' much like level/join >>> operator of XSLT? Alice.Bob.Walker implies some routine/mechanism to >>> tie Alice to Bob, and then Bob to Walker, but which will not tie Alice >>> to Walker directly? It would essentially be an alias for Connect By?
>
>> I do not know if it relates (directly) to XSLT and where did you see >> 'class operators'?
>
> It's almost a staple of what you see, anymore. Your dot operator seems
> to suggest the similar operator in XSL-T, which is a slash. Alice dot
> Bob dot Walker. Establishing that chain is essentially the great
> issue, at hand, and one that presumeably would seem contentious to
> some.
One point is that dot separates dimension names - not entities.
Another important point is that there are two operations:
- projection, and
- de-projection
Since all our elements are ordered we can use these two operations to
navigate over this structure. Projection is a move upward (to more
general element) while de-projection is a move downward (to a more
specific element).
>> The idea is that a model should be aware of the data >> item connections; it should manage links - not items. The price for that >> is a concrete structure the model must obey. More specifically, we bring >> a order into a set of data elements. And this order is the most >> important thing because it determines everything including data >> semantics. An element is positioned among other elements and this >> position determines what does it mean.
>
> I agree. More importantly, in a hierarchy, the item, and all its
> sundry sub-items may trivially be relocated. One need not rework
> 'relations' and external link columns, every time someone feels it
> better that the subtree go here, and not there.
>
>> If we change it then the data >> element changes its meaning accordingly. So it is not important what is >> inside - it is important how this element is positioned among other >> elements. Each element has a number of superelements and a number of >> subelements (normally these are concepts and data items). If you further >> describe it formally then you get the concept-oriented data model.
>
> The item must have some intrinsic semantic meaning. The scalar applies
> to one chart not another. But something else may be relocated
> precisely because it means something on its own, unrelated to another,
> not exclusively part of another I should say. It cascades and builds,
> like classes. Each component combines with new components in proper
> order to itself become atomic to a larger combination, and so on.
> But one always has to handle the start state, the upmost level, as
> somehow something different. So I would stick with this difference
> between atoms and components, even if by level one becomes the other,
> and we really are discussing the same thing.
> That is, you have two principal paths. You have the component, and its
> internal connection and order, its link and sort, each step of the
> way. And you have its placement in the larger component, as a subtree
> if you will.
>
> But it seems to me that the concepts and data items you mention cannot
> account for concepts becoming data items to other concepts, unless I
> misunderstand your definitions.
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