Re: Does Codd's view of a relational database differ from that of Date & Darwin? [M.Gittens]
From: Jan Hidders <jan.hidders_at_REMOVETHIS.pandora.be>
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:00:47 GMT
Message-ID: <jDyqe.116442$646.6800443_at_phobos.telenet-ops.be>
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> I may be reading more out of the 1970 paper than Codd intended to say, but
> the word "undesirable" suggests something far different to me than the word
> "impossible".
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:00:47 GMT
Message-ID: <jDyqe.116442$646.6800443_at_phobos.telenet-ops.be>
David Cressey wrote:
> "Jan Hidders" <jan.hidders_at_REMOVETHIS.pandora.be> wrote in message
> news:Bkkqe.115913$qE.6759462_at_phobos.telenet-ops.be...
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>>I'm not sure what it means to be an "inherent part of the theory" but >>Codd describes non-simple domains as "undesirable" and in section 1.5 he >>argues in favour of flat relations. This becomes even more clear if you >>look at the articles that followed because, for example, the notion of >>"relational completeness" (and the relationship with first-order logic) >>doesn't make much sense if you allow nested relations.
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> I may be reading more out of the 1970 paper than Codd intended to say, but
> the word "undesirable" suggests something far different to me than the word
> "impossible".
> What I'd be curious to know is whether it's an undesirable burden to place
> on the DBMS implementor, an undesirable alternative to place in the hands of
> the database designer, an undesirable avenue for further exploration of the
> theory, or something else.
- Jan Hidders