Re: database systems and organizational intelligence

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"mAsterdam" <mAsterdam_at_vrijdag.org> wrote in message news:40bb3703$0$34762$e4fe514c_at_news.xs4all.nl...
> Laconic2 wrote:
>
> > mAsterdam wrote:
> >
> >>> Storing and retrieving are lose words because nothing is stored nor
> >>> retrieved. Data can't be stored because it is not a physical object.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yep. I suspect this is a distinction easier to see for non-native
> >> english speakers, maybe because english nounifies verbs and verbifies
> >> nouns way to easily.
> >
> >
> > It has nothing to do with English versus Spanish. Trust me.
>
>
> Ok.
>
> > It has to do with whether you think that only
> > physical objects exist.
> >
> > Data exists. There is a physical representation of that
> > data on a CD, for example. That physical representation
> > is just as real as the ink on paper is real, or the
> > carvings on the rosetta stone are real.
>
>
> Ok.
>
> The physical representation, real,
> only contains shapes and media, not meaning.
> Data IMO encompasses meaning.
> So, in order to retrieve data from the rosetta stone, we need to
> interpret the carvings (being shapes on media a.k.a. signs).
>
> I don't see how somebody who takes the position
> that only physical objects exist would be able
> to make similar distinctions.

In order to have a *sign* you have to know the meaning. It is not only a carving.

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