Re: Wishing trolls away

In message <c7rio3$vd0$1_at_news.netins.net>, Dawn M. Wolthuis <dwolt_at_tincat-group.com> writes
>"Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra" <leandro_at_dutra.fastmail.fm> wrote
>in message news:pan.2004.05.11.21.37.13.680915_at_dutra.fastmail.fm...
>> I am sorely disappointed, the group has reverted to a trolling
>> field by sellers of sad OO, MV, XML, whatever snake oil who have no
>> interest in learning anything sane.
>>
>> I guess there comes a point where only *moderated* mailing
>> lists can bear intelligent conversation.
>
>Sorry to disappoint, if I am among your targets for this posting. I am
>truely, honestly, searching for why my book-knowledge and experience are so
>out of alignment in the area of databases, so I am guilty of bringing
>experience into the mix. I would like to be sure you are aware that I have
>nothing to sell and much to learn, so please count me out of those
>categories. This can come across as "selling" because I am comparing what I
>have read with what I have seen. I will (and do) try to leave any
>discussion of existing products out of the mix and will stick to nothing
>that exists, if that would be preferable. Should I also stick only to
>questions specifically about RDBMS's?

To which I would add - I would like to know what RELEVANCE relational databases have to the real world. It's all fine and well having a theory of data, but without any EXPERIMENTS and EVIDENCE that relational theory actually has a relationship to the real world (rather than being totally orthogonal to reality), then rdbms's can be added to the list of snake oil products ...

Come on, let's have some scientific evidence that relational is relevant, not just mathematical proofs that it's consistent - after all, there's plenty of "alternate universes" in Physics that are mathematically consistent, yet orthogonal (and irrelevant) to our universe :-)

Or do the denizens of this newsgroup prefer living in a complex imaginary mathematical world of their own making ... :-)
>
>Cheers anyway. --dawn
>
Cheers,
Wol

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