Re: Codd article really that hard to get?

From: Amund Trovåg <amundAndHereEndethMyName_at_removeINOLIKESPAMYOUSEEtexassibir.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:17:24 +0100
Message-ID: <3FD8D0D4.5050209@removeINOLIKESPAMYOUSEEtexassibir.com>

Bob Badour wrote:
> "Amund Trovåg"
> <amundAndHereEndethMyName_at_removeINOLIKESPAMYOUSEEtexassibir.com> wrote in
> message news:3FD8AFC6.4060103_at_removeINOLIKESPAMYOUSEEtexassibir.com...
>

>>Bob Badour wrote:
>>
>>>"Amund Trovåg"
>>><amundAndHereEndethMyName_at_removeINOLIKESPAMYOUSEEtexassibir.com> wrote
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> in
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>>>message news:3FD84132.3010905_at_removeINOLIKESPAMYOUSEEtexassibir.com...
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>>>>Jerry Gitomer wrote:
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>>>>>Amund Trovåg wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am a student looking for Codd's '72 article Relational Completeness
>>>>>>in Data Base Sublanguages. My university library says that they are
>>>>>>unable to order it from anywhere in the world(!)...umm there's got to
>>>>>>be a mistake here. Isn't this article supposed to be read by the
>>>>>>entire DB community? Where is it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any ideas appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>AT
>>>>>
>>>>>Learn to use Google and you will come to the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>[Codd1972b]
>>>>>   Codd, E.F.  Relational Completeness of Data Base Sublanguages in
>>>>>Data Base Systems.  pp. 65-98 in Rustin, Randall J.(ed.).  Data Base
>>>>>Systems.   Courant Computer Symposia Series, vol. 6.  Prentice-Hall
>>>>>(Englewood Cliffs, NJ: 1972).
>>>>
>>>>Yes, yes. It has also been republished (that's why I got confused). But
>>>>as you can see, I have already posted a sorry for posting post, 6 hours
>>>>before your patronizing little note. I made the same conclusions as you
>>>>did with your madskillz using google 6 hours ago. Do you then think I
>>>>need this info? No? Then what is natural to do? Yes. Yes, exactly.
>>>
>>>Armund,
>>>
>>>It frequently takes hours or even days before a usenet post becomes
>>

> visible
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>>>to all readers.
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>>This I didn't know.

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> I strongly suspected that contributed to the misunderstanding.
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>>>It makes little sense to get pissed off at someone for
>>>answering your question and for suggesting an alternate technique to get
>>>more timely answers.
>>
>>Depends on the formulations, now doesn't it?

>
>
> No, it doesn't. If you ask for help, graciously and gratefully accept
> whatever help you receive. Otherwise, you may someday really need somebody's
> help who thinks "Why on earth would I ever help that ingrate?"
Point taken, I will try to be more humble in the future, if possible.

>
> If you ever have an opportunity to attend one of Chris Date's keynote
> speeches, I suggest you loiter afterward and eavesdrop on the conversations
> audience members have with Chris. You will find Chris models grace extremely
> well.

I have no doubt :). Hopefully someday I might have that opportunity.

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>>>If you do not want patronizing little notes, make sure you rtfm and
>>

> google
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>>>before asking for anyone else's help.
>>
>>Well, I did, found the correct reference, but made a mistake when
>>showing it to my local library. Hence the "nevermind-post".
>>Oh, and you do a great job in patronizing as well, but I have read the
>>kind of posts you have made before, so I wont make a big thing out of it.

>
>
> First rule: Don't sweat the small stuff.
> Second rule: It's all small stuff.
>
> Cheers,
> Bob

Regards,
Amund Received on Thu Dec 11 2003 - 14:17:24 CST