Re: Clean Object Class Design -- Circle/Ellipse

From: Bob Badour <bbadour_at_golden.net>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:06:35 -0400
Message-ID: <rLxt7.1502$dC2.105284655@radon.golden.net>

"Richard MacDonald" <macdonaldrj_at_att.net> wrote in message news:H5%r7.8058$WW.786561_at_bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Bob Badour" <bbadour_at_golden.net> wrote in message
> news:cd3b3cf.0109241223.b2c233f_at_posting.google.com...
> > "Richard MacDonald" <macdonaldrj_at_att.net> wrote in message
> news:<TtYm7.18785$KV3.1543185_at_bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> > > "Richard MacDonald" <macdonaldrj_at_att.net> wrote in message
> > > news:z5Xm7.18708$KV3.1532233_at_bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > >
> > > I don't mind exposing myself. Its unavoidable.
> > > I'm just seeing something that doesn't fit
> > > your picture and I'm asking you to deal with it. I don't
> > > see you dealing with it.
> >
> > I don't need to deal with it because it does not exist. I suggest you
> > examine the definition of the Smalltalk language.

>

> I know Smalltalk more than a little well.
> And James Robertson (who knows a thing or
> two about Smalltalk :-) agreed with me that you
> were incorrect.

Big deal. Ask him to point to any Smalltalk language definition that defines "instance" as anything other than a variable which one can reference.

> > Before you can claim to adhere to science, you must make an effort to
> > learn what has already been done. You have made no such effort. Your
> > claim that values are object instances in Smalltalk clearly
> > demonstrates that you do not even know the definition of the Smalltalk
> > language.

>

> The number 5.
> Its a value.

An instance or variable can have the value 5. The value, however, is not an instance.

> Its also an object instance.

According to the definition of the Smalltalk language an instance is a variable that one can reference. One cannot reference a value. Values are self-identifying.

> Why not simply argue your way out of the previous 3
> sentences?

They were untrue. Anyone with access to a browser and Google can verify for themselves that Smalltalk defines "instance" as a variable that one can reference.

>Oh I have lots of prejudices like we all do. I'm just exercising a
>particular set now since your high horse is flimsy and you
>deserve to be taken down a notch.

As I said previously when you posted the above: What you call my high horse is not at all flimsy. You expose much
about yourself and your motives in the above statement. You expose, for instance, that you have no interest in learning or in communicating -- instead, you have an interest in attacking and destroying. I find little merit in your goals. Received on Sun Sep 30 2001 - 00:06:35 CDT