Re: Conceptual modeling like in the book
From: Frank <fbortel_at_nescape.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:27:40 +0100
Message-ID: <bpdusf$2qr$1_at_news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>
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> Yeah, ok guys! I understand what you're trying to tell me: "Duh!"
> Hehe!
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> I was just kind of hoping that there were other tools to get the job
> done. I always like to try two or three softwares to get a global
> picture of what they can do before choosing THE one I'll use.
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> Have you guys tried Oracle's Designer? If yes, did you have a good
> experience with it? And if not, do you have any suggestions on other
> similar tools?
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> Thanks!!
>
> mACHnIFE
I used to work for Oracle in Designer Support - so I'm hardly unbiased. Steep learning curve indeed, as it tries to do it all. Have been working with TI's IEF in the early 90's, which used a similar way of drawing ERD's. IEF was an upper/lower case tool to, geared towards mainframes.
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:27:40 +0100
Message-ID: <bpdusf$2qr$1_at_news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>
jackknife wrote:
> Frank <fbortel_at_nescape.net> wrote in message news:<bp22kh$kg4$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>...
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>>Hans Forbrich wrote: >> >> >>>Have you checked Oracle's CASE tool (Designer) which is part of the >>>Developer Suite? >>> >>>This stuff sounds familiar. If I understood your description, this >>>model 'style' has been around since the mid '80s. If so, Oracle Designer >>>has been doing this since 1988 or earlier! >> >>Must be - Jan is (was?) an instructor with Oracle Nederland; doing the >>Designer class as well, iirc >>And it makes sense that authors, writing for Oracle Press use Oracle >>tools, doens't it?
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>
> Yeah, ok guys! I understand what you're trying to tell me: "Duh!"
> Hehe!
>
> I was just kind of hoping that there were other tools to get the job
> done. I always like to try two or three softwares to get a global
> picture of what they can do before choosing THE one I'll use.
>
> Have you guys tried Oracle's Designer? If yes, did you have a good
> experience with it? And if not, do you have any suggestions on other
> similar tools?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> mACHnIFE
I used to work for Oracle in Designer Support - so I'm hardly unbiased. Steep learning curve indeed, as it tries to do it all. Have been working with TI's IEF in the early 90's, which used a similar way of drawing ERD's. IEF was an upper/lower case tool to, geared towards mainframes.
The main problem with Designer has always been the drive to add new functionality, instead of getting the bugs out - which I find generally true for this industry.
-- Regards, Frank van BortelReceived on Tue Nov 18 2003 - 21:27:40 CET