Re: Do you have end-users like this?
From: Steve Howard <stephen.howard_at_us.pwcglobal.com>
Date: 1 Jul 2003 12:21:53 -0700
Message-ID: <6d8b7216.0307011121.3562055b_at_posting.google.com>
> rgaffuri_at_cox.net (Ryan Gaffuri) wrote in message news:<1efdad5b.0306300937.66f8d877@posting.google.com>...
> > hap_at_mikomi.org (Adam Hapworth) wrote in message news:<a6cb04db.0306300648.43337078_at_posting.google.com>...
> > > Jonathan1234 <member31800_at_dbforums.com> wrote in message news:<3054936.1056849647_at_dbforums.com>...
> > > > Very funny!
> > > >
> > > > I've definitely has the IT wannabe end-users and they drive me nuts.
> > >
> > > Here is the perfect t-shirt for those meetngs with the Users
> > >
> > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/595d/zoom/
> > >
> > > Adam
> >
> > i think a negative view users is a real detriment to a project. Ive
> > found that most end users are reasonable.
> >
> > As if you are an expert in everything? I think that is a real flaw
> > with alot of technical people. The holier than thou arrogant view
> > towards users. Ive also found it problematic on projects where people
> > who are specialists in one thing are arrogant about that skill and do
> > not like to discuss it with people who are specialists in something
> > else.
> >
> > The way I look at is that end-users pay my salary. If they get
> > intolerable its time to find a new job. If not, then I have to deal
> > with it.
>
>
> Obviously you haven't been exposed to the real morons.
> I can assure you : there are LOTS of them in the REAL world.
> I have found that way too many users are *un*reasonable, installing
> crap applications with NO RI defined, always blaming the DBA when
> *anything* goes wrong, often blaming the mess *they* caused on the
> DBA.
>
> Sybrand Bakker
> Senior Oracle DBA
Date: 1 Jul 2003 12:21:53 -0700
Message-ID: <6d8b7216.0307011121.3562055b_at_posting.google.com>
sybrandb_at_yahoo.com wrote in message news:<a1d154f4.0306302342.280118ba_at_posting.google.com>...
> rgaffuri_at_cox.net (Ryan Gaffuri) wrote in message news:<1efdad5b.0306300937.66f8d877@posting.google.com>...
> > hap_at_mikomi.org (Adam Hapworth) wrote in message news:<a6cb04db.0306300648.43337078_at_posting.google.com>...
> > > Jonathan1234 <member31800_at_dbforums.com> wrote in message news:<3054936.1056849647_at_dbforums.com>...
> > > > Very funny!
> > > >
> > > > I've definitely has the IT wannabe end-users and they drive me nuts.
> > >
> > > Here is the perfect t-shirt for those meetngs with the Users
> > >
> > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/595d/zoom/
> > >
> > > Adam
> >
> > i think a negative view users is a real detriment to a project. Ive
> > found that most end users are reasonable.
> >
> > As if you are an expert in everything? I think that is a real flaw
> > with alot of technical people. The holier than thou arrogant view
> > towards users. Ive also found it problematic on projects where people
> > who are specialists in one thing are arrogant about that skill and do
> > not like to discuss it with people who are specialists in something
> > else.
> >
> > The way I look at is that end-users pay my salary. If they get
> > intolerable its time to find a new job. If not, then I have to deal
> > with it.
>
>
> Obviously you haven't been exposed to the real morons.
> I can assure you : there are LOTS of them in the REAL world.
> I have found that way too many users are *un*reasonable, installing
> crap applications with NO RI defined, always blaming the DBA when
> *anything* goes wrong, often blaming the mess *they* caused on the
> DBA.
>
> Sybrand Bakker
> Senior Oracle DBA
It doesn't matter. Without their need for data, there is no need to loftily talk about block sizes, spin counts, and whatever else we discuss in this group.
Are some of them unreasonable? Absolutely. Stupid? Without a doubt. But technical people _in general_, have a propensity to think they are islands to themselves, and forget they exist in a _support_ role to the business people.
Without them, we starve.
Regards,
Steve Received on Tue Jul 01 2003 - 21:21:53 CEST